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Question regarding Maire's vocals on Chicane's "Saltwater"

I'm aware that the anchor vocals by Maire (Moya) Brennan were sampled from Clannad's "Harry's Game", but anyone that has listened to this song will notice that there are more lyrics than the "Fol lol the doh fol the day" that do not appear in "Harry's Game". I'm wondering if the other lyrics (i.e. Open my eyes, saltwater rain...) were sung by Maire for Chicane, or if these were sampled from another song. I haven't found any other song by Moya with these lyrics.

Here are the full lyrics:

"Oscail mo sh�ile
N�os m�
�ist � sin
Ar an ts�ile sn�mha
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Oscail mo sh�il
In that way
�ist t�
In that way
�ist t�
In that way
Missing part
In that way
�ist t�
Oscail mo sh�il
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Oscail mo sh�il
No more inside
Saltwater rain
Oscail mo sh�il"

If much of this is original to chicane's song, with Maire on the vocals, this would qualify her as an actual trance vocalist.

afaik, chicane first made a version where he sampled the vocals directly from the original clannad track. and i think when trying to clear the use of the vocals, maire offered to re-record the vocals.

It's not technically a sample. A sample is a sound lifted directly from another track. This is an element from another track but it has been recreated for Saltwater, rather than part of an actual recording. Producers do this a lot, as it saves them having to pay sample royalties. It's not a full cover so they still get writing credits (ie money) and they aren't directly sampling it. The Prodigy did this with Voodoo People- the guitar riff is taken from Nirvana's Very Ape but they recorded it live in the studio, rather than sampling it.

System-J, thanks for the clarification that this is a re-recording (I do know what a sample is). However, it doesn't exactly answer my question about the extra vocals that are not found in "Harry's Game". I would assume then that these were sung for Chicane's song, making Maire an actual trance vocalist.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes making Maire an actual trance vocalist.

I disagree. Contributing to one track rooted in a sample doesn't make you a trance vocalist. I don't think Maire has contributed to any other trance records, or is part of a trance act, so it is not accurate to say she is a trance vocalist.

Contributing original vocal content to a trance song production would make the singer qualify as a trance vocalist, even if it has only been done for one song.

Again, you're forgetting that the anchor lyrics from "Harry's Game" are not the only vocals that appear in Saltwater. There are original lyrics, vocals and melody in the song.

Is George Clinton a house vocalist because he provided original vocal samples for Elementalelectrofunk?

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Contributing original vocal content to a trance song production would make the singer qualify as a trance vocalist, even if it has only been done for one song. Again, you're forgetting that the anchor lyrics from "Harry's Game" are not the only vocals that appear in Saltwater. There are original lyrics, vocals and melody in the song.

Yes, but it is one song. That doesn't make someone a trance vocalist. Sarah Mclachlan is not a trance vocalist either.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes, but it is one song. That doesn't make someone a trance vocalist. Sarah Mclachlan is not a trance vocalist either.

Sarah's vocals were only sampled, so no, she isn't. She contributed nothing original or intentional for trance.

There has to be a criteria.

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Originally posted by Hydarnes Sarah's vocals were only sampled, so no, she isn't. She contributed nothing original or intentional for trance. There has to be a criteria.

I see you're as argumentative as always.

Oh, and the word you're looking for is criterion.

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Originally posted by starglider I see you're as argumentative as always. Oh, and the word you're looking for is criterion.

Trust me buddy, correcting me in matters of grammatical accuracy is tantamount to a tumbleweed telling a redwood how to stand straight. Criteria can work just as well in the singular.

And seeing you already think I'm argumentative, I couldn't disappoint you.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I disagree. Contributing to one track rooted in a sample doesn't make you a trance vocalist. I don't think Maire has contributed to any other trance records, or is part of a trance act, so it is not accurate to say she is a trance vocalist.

i think someone should ask her to do more trance vocal songs. her voice is heavenly..some of the other vocalists pale compared to her.

jeez, angry angry angry person ....
I love this track, what can you say ...
Anyways, chilllll

Even if she has done contributions to 2 trancers ('Saltwater' & 'Antillas feat. Clannad - I Will Find You') by rerecording the vocals for them and being sampled in 1 ('Pulp Victim - The World' contains a Gaelic verse from Maire Brennan's song 'Or�' from her album 'M�ire') i wouldn't consider her as a trance vocalist. I think you would need to contribute to more than 1-2 songs to actually become one. As i have said in a thread a while back, Moya 'Maire' Brennan (real name M�ire N� Bhraon�in) isn't really a trance vocalist but rather just a lead singer of an Irish traditional/new age/contemporary band called Clannad and is also known as a sister of Enya (Eithne N� Bhraon�in) who was a member of the band in its early days.

But does it really matter whether she is a trance vocalist or not? Again this seems to be an issue similar to the "necessary" categorization of music. Why does everything and everyone NEED to be something?

Anyways, the additional vocals for Saltwater were recorded and sung by Maire during the rerecording sessions of Harry's Game's vocals.

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Originally posted by GrimReaper But does it really matter whether she is a trance vocalist or not? Again this seems to be an issue similar to the "necessary" categorization of music. Why does everything and everyone NEED to be something?

agreed, some people in here seems to be doing nothing except for categorizing everything, everyone and his mother. acid greek techno-hambo with a taste of progressive jazz, anyone?

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Originally posted by n0bben agreed, some people in here seems to be doing nothing except for categorizing everything, everyone and his mother. acid greek techno-hambo with a taste of progressive jazz, anyone?

no your wrong, its sweedish punk rap music

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Originally posted by GrimReaper Even if she has done contributions to 2 trancers ('Saltwater' & 'Antillas feat. Clannad - I Will Find You') by rerecording the vocals for them and being sampled in 1 ('Pulp Victim - The World' contains a Gaelic verse from Maire Brennan's song 'Or�' from her album 'M�ire') i wouldn't consider her as a trance vocalist. I think you would need to contribute to more than 1-2 songs to actually become one. As i have said in a thread a while back, Moya 'Maire' Brennan (real name M�ire N� Bhraon�in) isn't really a trance vocalist but rather just a lead singer of an Irish traditional/new age/contemporary band called Clannad and is also known as a sister of Enya (Eithne N� Bhraon�in) who was a member of the band in its early days. But does it really matter whether she is a trance vocalist or not? Again this seems to be an issue similar to the "necessary" categorization of music. Why does everything and everyone NEED to be something? Anyways, the additional vocals for Saltwater were recorded and sung by Maire during the rerecording sessions of Harry's Game's vocals.

Hello GrimReaper.

Obviously conflicting standards are going to persuade individuals differently on this matter. Nevertheless, it lends room for Maire to be included in "trance vocalist" lists, unlike Sarah McLachlan and Leigh Nash, for example. This is my point.

So Bryan Adams is trance vocalist too?

No, but BT is

In which language are the lyrics in saltwater ?

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Originally posted by Gravgon In which language are the lyrics in saltwater ?

It's in Gaelic, sort of an Irish native language or something. Someone who knows, please explain better. Enya, Maire Brennan's sister uses the same language in her songs.

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Originally posted by Gravgon In which language are the lyrics in saltwater ?

Irish I think.

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Originally posted by DJ Cinos Irish I think.

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Originally posted by GrimReaper It's in Gaelic, sort of an Irish native language or something. Someone who knows, please explain better. Enya, Maire Brennan's sister uses the same language in her songs.

as far as i know, Gaelic is a old celtic language that some people in western Scotland talk..

maybe Technaut knows better

They're in celtic language. As far as I know there are several varities of celtic, depending on where in the UK you are. Only England doesn't speak any celtic.

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