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nothing sounds better than analog vinyl pressings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah mate, totally agree with you, but sadly it may not be around for too much longer.
I can't remember the stats but a crazy amount of the big boys are playing CD only, and around 50% of us mortals own CD decks.
I hope vinyl makes a second comeback, but digital and the number of vinyl cutting plants may take care of it.
hooray for records!
cd- much more options than a vinyl...
cd for obvious reasons including better quality, smaller size, looping, etc. etc.
tho cds aren't really that good either, something better needs to be invented.
i prefere cd. although vinyl sound is "technically" better, CD sound is better in practice.
CD...don't have a record-player... 
CD
how does cd have "better quality" and "sound is better in practice"
vinyl for president
vinyl
VINYL
GET A VESTAX HANDTRAX and blow away the little bitches that catch public transport and think they are awesome cause you can hear the music coming out of there headphones :P
But you really need to carry a record bag around with you to store vinyl, its brilliant for digging tho, so when your at the store your like oh what this is fuckin AWESOME !!!
Even though CD and Digital have advantages like being easy to travel with and are less likely to skip if someone bumps into the equipment, I still prefer vinyl.
CD..
Vinyl is good stuff.
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| Originally posted by naesean3 nothing sounds better than analog vinyl pressings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
vinyl all the way
There is nothing that feels like vinyl when you beatmatch. I also recently purchased Pioneer CDJ-800 and I still prefer vinyl, because CDJ don't have enough censetivity in that big wheel. When i try to speed it up or slow it down a little by spinning the wheel, there is too much of noticeable pitch change. With vinnyl, you can spin it so little that no one is going to hear the difference.
But FinalScratch 2.0 has it's own promises also. Have not tried it yet, but it well might be the next industry's standard after vinyl, but so far, vinyl is the best!!!
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| Originally posted by antronx There is nothing that feels like vinyl when you beatmatch. I also recently purchased Pioneer CDJ-800 and I still prefer vinyl, because CDJ don't have enough censetivity in that big wheel. When i try to speed it up or slow it down a little by spinning the wheel, there is too much of noticeable pitch change. With vinnyl, you can spin it so little that no one is going to hear the difference. But FinalScratch 2.0 has it's own promises also. Have not tried it yet, but it well might be the next industry's standard after vinyl, but so far, vinyl is the best!!! |
Vinyl or Death.... of dance music.
Vinyl still beats all forms of digital playback.
As for the guy who says "its a myth" that vinyl sounds better than CDs he is brutally misinformed and here is why.
Vinyl sounds better on large systems for several reasons and part of that is because of the engineering required to put the dynamic range of a dance track into the physical "dimmensions" of an analog sound wave in the form of the groove on the record. Much of this engineering technique is completely lost on producers who put out material on CD and then play it on CD or another digital format over these types of sound systems.
FACT: in order to replicate the dynamic range of a properly engineered vinyl record at 45RPM you would need to be working in at least 192kHZ sampling rates realized in 32bit floating point stereo PCM in the digital realm. Which is why if you know these things when you send in your masters to a cutting engineer you send him your material on CD-R, in DATA format at at least that kind of rate in that kind of bit depth, not in CDDA format which is completely useless. For example any decent cutting house will refuse your CD-R, DAT or minidisc for a master and ask for it in WAVE or AIFF format at the best bit depth and sampling rate you can produce out of your gear, software etc. Why? because they can take advantage of it. Old story really, crap in, crap out. Sending your masters into a out in CDDA or on DAT to the plant basically tells the engineer you don't care about the quality of your productions,and he will respond in kind. Trust me here, as someone who has mastered tracks in the digital realm and worked with producers sometimes arm twisting them to get the right results - the difference shows on a final pressed production. Even the cutting house you go to can make a big big difference. We have done productions with 4 different plants and 5 different cutting engineers and we finally have found the best match for us as the engineer who cut our new release truly understood what he was doing and the record sounds stellar.
There is a lot of documentation on this online I just don't understand why people can't get it through their heads that much of what "sounds good" digitally doesn't mean the same thing in the analog domain when reproduced on a sound system properly tuned with a lot of power behind it. Kind of the end all be all point when it comes to the purpose of putting out a wicked track... to play it on a massive system with 20,000 plus watts of clean power (hello Funktion One!) or more
Now just so there is no confusion, any of the tracks one would "get" from any online service come nowhere near this kind of range. For example a lot of sites will offer 320kbps Mp3s for use with "final scratch" or something of the sort. A higher encoded bit rate does not translate into better fidelity in terms of dynamic range response or replication. It may sound cleaner, but it doesn't even come close to being what can be realised on the vinyl record if you know what you are doing. Bit rate does not translate into bit depth and bit depth is only part of the 3 part mathematic formula used to "sample" a signal in the form of sound, recording the results and of course eventually reproducing it.
The fact that the material is offered in MP3 (a compression technology which is now over 16 years old!) should be the first sign it's no where close to what you can get out of a straight wave file pulled even from a CD-DA format disc.
Nothing like cutting the knees of your material... blah! Vinyl or DEATH!
And one other thing...
The average lifespan of a CD deck is under 18 months under conditions the average SL-1200 MKII would normally endure for 10 to 15 years of regular use in a club. Digitial DJing is not cheaper for this single reason. Wait until you get your cleaning bills when you have to take your CDJS in for repair. That's a lot of records you could have bought!
My 1200's are as of this year, 25 years old and only now am I considering replacing the pitch control sliders in them. Why? not because they are failing but because I want new ones with new pitch % stickers (cause it looks nice)
As for those laptoppers out there...get a grip. Frankly showing up at a party and dragging a laptop in with you expecting to simply plug in is bogus. And are we (the crowd) going to wait for that shit? No, and then the problem or rather the doubt comes into play where people start to ask... "gee, hey DJ! Yo... buddy pushing buttons... is it live or is it memorex!?"
It's too easy for these "top djs" and their digital minions to simply pull an ashley simpson and frankly that is already starting to have an effect on people not wanting to pay 50+ bucks for some guy to come in and imitate george jetson for 2 hours only to bail out the door seconds after finishing his "set" (which could have been pre-recorded) making for the promoter and his pay like a heatseeking missle.
I don't trust ANYONE superstar or not to not be tempted by the darkside on that one.
Flame all you want, fact is dance music is suffering not because of a downhill slide in "attending crowds" due to an economic down turn world wide, its because vinyl DJing is under attack and the peformance aspect is being eroded and crowd have had enough of it.
Screw the "top djs" that play on CD or digital. They are NOT helping things any and are in effect pulling a "Chris Sheppard". Anyone in canada over the age of 25 will get my meaning there.
Later kids!
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i do love vinyl, but CD's do have better quality and are more convenient...
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