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Posted by Traiden on May-10-2005 13:40:

Producing with software only

I have been a producer of trance music for over 3 years now. When I just began I used the studio of a friend of mine, but I find producing using just software a lot easier and more fun to do. My friend says that real producers don't use software, but I think this is not entirely true. I know for instance that Rank 1 preferes software too. Are there more producers using just software?


Posted by DjMorpheus on May-10-2005 13:48:

A lot!!!!
There are even pro-producers that switch from hardware to software (you mentioned rank 1). Rank1 has made an essemble in Reaktor witch the use a lot, and NO, you can't download it somewhere

It's not what you use, it's how you use it.


Posted by Traiden on May-10-2005 13:58:

I have made my own music production software too! It's basicly an improved version of Cubase SX 3, using influences of FL Studio 5 and Filterfactory 7.3...


Posted by DjMorpheus on May-10-2005 14:11:

Pic's, screenshot's?
I'm interesting.

Programmed by yourself?


Posted by Traiden on May-10-2005 14:13:

Yep, all by myself! I know a lot about different programming lanqueges (ofzoiets...) The program is on my other computer so I can't take a screenshot right now, but I'll post one tomorrow!


Posted by DjMorpheus on May-10-2005 14:20:

Hmmz, did you code it with c++ or so.
It's not easy, have you implemented a midi-clock etc also?
Or is it samplebased?


Posted by Traiden on May-10-2005 14:24:

It uses both samples and midi files. Maybe I'll put it on the internet in some time, if so, you're the first one to hear


Posted by djkoso on May-10-2005 15:50:

"It's not what you use, it's how you use it."

That's Right !

at now i use only software and hardware(Midi Controller) and think i produce good music.

but Hardware > Software why ? SOUND ! Warm beautiful and clean.


Posted by Subtle on May-10-2005 15:52:

more, and more software, and less quality music..


Posted by Pjotr G on May-10-2005 16:12:

as if hardware makes for better music?


Posted by Timothy on May-10-2005 17:45:

I read an interesting interview of rank 1. He notes that you can "approximately" reproduce the sounds with software. If it sounds different, it's fun or something like that.

http://www.synthforum.nl/forums/pri...?threadid=13568


Posted by jupiterone on May-10-2005 18:22:

Well...look at those guys taht someone posted here... sun something... they got a nord lead..a nord g..a jp8080..tons of analog and digital recorders / mixers .. bass machines and drums machines. metronomes to say make their music more in key. and it sounds like it was made in a macromedia flash video game with preset samples. honestly its just a lesson about how having loads of hardware still wont save you from making crappy music. it takes inspiration and a want. matters how yo use what you have.


Posted by Subtle on May-10-2005 18:30:

quote:
Originally posted by jupiterone
Well...look at those guys taht someone posted here... sun something... they got a nord lead..a nord g..a jp8080..tons of analog and digital recorders / mixers .. bass machines and drums machines. metronomes to say make their music more in key. and it sounds like it was made in a macromedia flash video game with preset samples. honestly its just a lesson about how having loads of hardware still wont save you from making crappy music. it takes inspiration and a want. matters how yo use what you have.
they weren`t made to make it in the first place


Posted by Signal2005 on May-10-2005 19:41:

well

Alotta people have there own style and its a great thing.Like me i dont sound like anyone else really.Not that i aim to sound diffrent its just i do istart a track and let myself go im more of a smoothe groove enthusiast.

lotsa pianos strings breakbeats and and swinging bass lines.

i know i aint that great by many peoples standards but for the style i make im preety good.I been at it awhile as well but im lucky to make 5 tracks a year.Cuz i always get a writers block and when i start one i have to finish it from when i start if i try to save and continue later i lose my vibe.

so i ussualy do tracks in like 5 hours or so.And i then leave it at that and move on to the next.I dnt really go crazy with mastering as long as it sounds good in my car im happy with it

Im software based FLSTUDIO 5.0XXL and a midiman oxygen 8


Posted by alanzo on May-11-2005 03:01:

Facts instead of opinions in this matter:

Hardware sounds different from software. Which sounds better, I leave up to you to decide.

If you can't make good music with only software, getting $100s in hardware isn't going to make your music any better.

Using hardware saves on CPU - you can either record to .wav files (like rendering a VSTi) or have the sound feed directly in from the hardware unit. Both require almost no processing on your host machine.

If you actually buy the software (most don't), software instruments/fx are MUCH cheaper than hardware.

Almost all professional/semi-professional EDM producers of today use hardware synthesizers, software FX, and a software sequencer. There are exceptions to this, but this is generally what proffesionals use.


Posted by *InVeRs3* on May-11-2005 04:29:

quote:
Originally posted by DjMorpheus
A lot!!!!
There are even pro-producers that switch from hardware to software (you mentioned rank 1). Rank1 has made an essemble in Reaktor witch the use a lot, and NO, you can't download it somewhere

It's not what you use, it's how you use it.


You can't download it somewhere? I know a few who have. HEHEH.

And yeah imo you should use what works for you. hardware or software. but software is free and "free".


Posted by EliPsE on May-11-2005 04:45:

there are many producers which use software only.
I personally dont like software instruments anymore and just use hardware synths, software sequencer, and software fx+ sampler


Posted by fr0st on May-11-2005 04:45:

quote:
Originally posted by *InVeRs3*
You can't download it somewhere? I know a few who have. HEHEH.

And yeah imo you should use what works for you. hardware or software. but software is free and "free".


software that is illegal is free,,,

I myself prefer hardware well for reverb/compression/ and if i could afford it EQ. I also prefer hardware sound sources real guitars/synths/drums etc.... But for ease and flexibility software is the way to go no midi latency no cable clutter no having to clean it... But you do loose the controls of the hardware and IMO thats all the difference.


Posted by Signal2005 on May-11-2005 07:10:

yup

Software has its ups and downs and the downs.

They dont have a warm sound.They kill cpu (good ones anyway)

Tweakability sucks and sometimes theres a delay in key to send (using midi keyboard)

The ups u can get em cracked preety much anywhere mirc kazaa.(but may contain viruses and be buggy so please don risk it.

no mess no wires more space to work.

Hardware ups

better sounding gigable more parameters better feel opens creativity a tad more and being able to atleast say u own real gear is aplus tweaking is better.

downs

messy wires damaged gear expensive hooking the shit up etc.

so theres many ups and downs personally i like both software and hardware sadly i produce off pc speakers and use a midiman oxygen8 and have all software until friday when i get my micron owwwchhhhh.


Posted by Traiden on May-11-2005 16:27:

It's great to hear that a lot of people use just software too. As long as it sounds good, it doesn't matter I guess! And it does...


Posted by Traiden on May-11-2005 16:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Traiden
And it does...


It does sound good I meant... Not it does matter


Posted by Blue Meanies on May-11-2005 19:05:

Re: yup

quote:
Originally posted by Signal2005 Hardware ups -
being able to at least say you own real gear is a plus


so one of the pros is being able to say you own the gear?? what kind of retard logic is that???

"Hardware is better... because I own it?"


Posted by jupiterone on May-11-2005 19:14:

Oh cmon now, lets not say taht just because someone owns a hardware synth itll make them a better producer. Saying that its a plus to say you own real equipment is cool i guess...but then again those nerds that analyze their equipment to your friends and brag to you saying they "Pwn" you because their JP8080 is so shiny are just stupid, then yo whip out your tracks you made with a couple software synths and pwn the living hell out of their hardware made music. It all matters how yo use what you have. How muhc time and effort yo put into making a track.

If you cant possibly master the possibilities of software then why bother buying thousand dollar synths and racks? I was gonna buy a nord lead...but decided not to spend 2 grand when i could get 10 times the equipment with that cash plus software and make close to the same sounds that come out of that thing. CLOSE TO THE SAME.


Posted by emc^2 on May-11-2005 19:43:

some of the producers that are mostly software-based:

1. Yahel
2. Prodigy (new album is 98% made in Reason)
3. Plasticman
4. Alphazone
5. Bobina
6. Vadim Zhukov

...and many more.

Hardware is great for live musician or if you require instant hands-on control, however, with advent of MIDI controllers and apps that can take advantage of that, hardware is becomming obsolete. Why do you think Novation and Nord are moving more towards software?

I'm actually in the process of trimming down my studio to only "essential" gear and get rid of all the "fat". I'm waiting for Access Virus TI to come out, so I can get even more control in smaller footprint and more manageable setup.

It's all a matter of what you're comfortable with. Quite honestly, I hate certain NI instruments because they don't offer re-size capability and spend too much time making instrument appear "real" instead of making it more practical. I think more thought should go into making soft synth more logical, easier to use and more stable, instead of wasting cpu cycles on rich graphics, retarded rotary knobs that never work the way you want them to.

so, my vote - software is the key. hardware is on its way out. considering the raw power of Live, FL Studio, Reason, Buzz, Absynth, Kontakt, and others - the hardware manufacturers will have to come up with some serious goods to compete. Besides, take a rompler like Korg Triton - what do you think is the shelf life of something like that? How dated will these sounds be 2-3 years from now? well, with software romplers like Atmosphere you can expect a long long life.

So, that's my thought for the day.


Posted by emc^2 on May-11-2005 19:50:

quote:
Originally posted by jupiterone
Oh cmon now, lets not say taht just because someone owns a hardware synth itll make them a better producer. Saying that its a plus to say you own real equipment is cool i guess...but then again those nerds that analyze their equipment to your friends and brag to you saying they "Pwn" you because their JP8080 is so shiny are just stupid, then yo whip out your tracks you made with a couple software synths and pwn the living hell out of their hardware made music. It all matters how yo use what you have. How muhc time and effort yo put into making a track.

If you cant possibly master the possibilities of software then why bother buying thousand dollar synths and racks? I was gonna buy a nord lead...but decided not to spend 2 grand when i could get 10 times the equipment with that cash plus software and make close to the same sounds that come out of that thing. CLOSE TO THE SAME.


w3rd!

If you need a good sample of that - check out our own TA's, Action Level's track "Topless" - made 100% in soft domain and canned by Menno de Jong in his set.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ss&pagenumber=1


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