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If that cambridge study where all the letters are mixed up but you can still read works so well...why do dyslexics have such a hard time?

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Originally posted by Orbax If that cambridge study where all the letters are mixed up but you can still read works so well...why do dyslexics have such a hard time?

cause of their neural wiring its not normal.

That Cambridge study is pretty much bs imo. The letters in that paragraph that everyone goes "wow" over aren't even that well scrambled, the word still bears a resemblance to the original word... and all the words were familiar and not that long... plus they never put letters together, which I hypothesize makes it easier to tell.... and a big thing is that it's much easier to read in paragraph form where you naturally and subconsciously anticipate the next word, which makes it easier to desipher. Words standing alone and scrambled the same way are really hard to decipher.

There's a difference between recognizing this sentence, you can do that easily:

Taody I wnet to garnmda's hsoue



But can you get these easily on their own:

sctiaonn
tpelonehe
nobeotok
etc.

yes

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss That Cambridge study is pretty much bs imo. The letters in that paragraph that everyone goes "wow" over aren't even that well scrambled, the word still bears a resemblance to the original word... and all the words were familiar and not that long... plus they never put letters together, which I hypothesize makes it easier to tell.... and a big thing is that it's much easier to read in paragraph form where you naturally and subconsciously anticipate the next word, which makes it easier to desipher. Words standing alone and scrambled the same way are really hard to decipher. There's a difference between recognizing this sentence, you can do that easily: Taody I wnet to garnmda's hsoue But can you get these easily on their own: sctiaonn tpelonehe nobeotok etc.

I think you are strengthening their point. Its not bs, it shows that you are so used to reading that you can anticipate the next word, that is, you can trim down the possible words to just a few and the informatin provided by the first and last letter and I am guessing the length of the string is enough to read fluently.


of course more time is spent on the first word or two, but after that the effect kicks in.

its a totally different ball game if you have words alone, or if you present a sentence one word at a time.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I think you are strengthening their point. Its not bs, it shows that you are so used to reading that you can anticipate the next word, that is, you can trim down the possible words to just a few and the informatin provided by the first and last letter and I am guessing the length of the string is enough to read fluently. of course more time is spent on the first word or two, but after that the effect kicks in. its a totally different ball game if you have words alone, or if you present a sentence one word at a time.

Yea exactly... if it's in a paragraph it works. But I also think it works because of the way they scrambled the words... I'd have to see the paragraph again to make sure but it seemed like there were harder ways they could have scrambled each word... but yea my point was it's not just the fact that a study proves you can unscramble words if the first and last letter is the same, the point was you can do that only if it's in a paragraph and they're scrambled simply.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss Yea exactly... if it's in a paragraph it works. But I also think it works because of the way they scrambled the words... I'd have to see the paragraph again to make sure but it seemed like there were harder ways they could have scrambled each word... but yea my point was it's not just the fact that a study proves you can unscramble words if the first and last letter is the same, the point was you can do that only if it's in a paragraph and they're scrambled simply.

Well, why don't you scramble them to be harder to read, and then post it here to see if we can read it just as easily. Or, make up a new paragraph, since most people have already seen the other one.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, why don't you scramble them to be harder to read, and then post it here to see if we can read it just as easily. Or, make up a new paragraph, since most people have already seen the other one.

exactly, its an empirical question that can be tested easily. If they really wanted to test it out they randomize the order of the letters in the words.

you guys sould arm wrestle

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, why don't you scramble them to be harder to read, and then post it here to see if we can read it just as easily. Or, make up a new paragraph, since most people have already seen the other one.

The wdoccuohk, or gnhdoourg, is one of the best kwonn wlid mlaamms in Msorsuii, but few raizlee tiss rnedot is a meebmr of the Seriqrul Fmlaiy. Its cmomon nmae, wuochocdk, is an azelicgind cpoiutorrn of an Idainn nmae for tihs scpiees. The oiigrn of its oethr nmae, gunodorhg, is ovoibus form the amlina's suaqt acpapernae, wnlidadg giat and hbiat of lviing in the gonrud.


Sorry if I messed something up, I scrambled it myself, hope I didn't forget letters and shit.

Source:

http://www.conservation.state.mo.us...mals/woodchuck/


Let me know what you think of this new one. It works to an extent, I think, but as I said, there are qualifications and certain conditions to be followed...

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss azelicgind cpoiutorrn amlina's suaqt acpapernae

i understood all but this.

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss Let me know what you think of this new one. It works to an extent, I think, but as I said, there are qualifications and certain conditions to be followed...

theres a lot more nouns in your example that are not common in most speech. Whenever someone has to do linguistic reserch they have to find out hwo common words are...this is a huge task that is replicated I think every 10 years er so. SO I am guessing that uncommon words, woodchuck, groundhog, missouri, etc. will make this effect almost disappear.


Notice when you rad there are certain parts that you can just skip over quickly, and some you slow down. This is also the basis of speed reading...they teach you to skip the easy parts and ingest the other parts.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 theres a lot more nouns in your example that are not common in most speech. Whenever someone has to do linguistic reserch they have to find out hwo common words are...this is a huge task that is replicated I think every 10 years er so. SO I am guessing that uncommon words, woodchuck, groundhog, missouri, etc. will make this effect almost disappear. Notice when you rad there are certain parts that you can just skip over quickly, and some you slow down. This is also the basis of speed reading...they teach you to skip the easy parts and ingest the other parts.

Yea, and the original paragraph said that a study has discovered that you can take any word and scramble it, leaving first and last letter intact, and it'll be easy to read. Obviously not. I mean, that paragraph was also made for entertainment purposes, of course they put the most common nouns in there so everyone would go "oooh..." It's just that the first time I saw people freak out about that, I said nuh-uh, there's gotta be a catch. And there obviously is... it works to an extent, but it's not some crazy thing that works every time and flawlesly..

Re: whoa...mind screw.

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Originally posted by Orbax If that cambridge study where all the letters are mixed up but you can still read works so well...why do dyslexics have such a hard time?

I'm lysdexic and I resent that......

I seriously am actually, but I'm smart enough to compensate.

haha youre compensating for something!

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss Yea, and the original paragraph said that a study has discovered that you can take any word and scramble it, leaving first and last letter intact, and it'll be easy to read. Obviously not. I mean, that paragraph was also made for entertainment purposes, of course they put the most common nouns in there so everyone would go "oooh..." It's just that the first time I saw people freak out about that, I said nuh-uh, there's gotta be a catch. And there obviously is... it works to an extent, but it's not some crazy thing that works every time and flawlesly..

lol, nothing in this line of study works everytime. You can discount about 99.999% if not all research if you hold it to a 100% standard. What they do is test it to see if there is about a 96% chance that it didn't occur by chance. This could be a study that is from that 5% that lie. who knows.


You should also try to find the original journal article if you can. Usually descriptions of studies in news articles are pretty inaccurate.

60% of the time, it works every time.

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Originally posted by Orbax 60% of the time, it works every time.

Thats good enough to get published in some journals

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Originally posted by Miss Bliss That Cambridge study is pretty much bs imo. The letters in that paragraph that everyone goes "wow" over aren't even that well scrambled, the word still bears a resemblance to the original word... and all the words were familiar and not that long... plus they never put letters together, which I hypothesize makes it easier to tell.... and a big thing is that it's much easier to read in paragraph form where you naturally and subconsciously anticipate the next word, which makes it easier to desipher. Words standing alone and scrambled the same way are really hard to decipher. There's a difference between recognizing this sentence, you can do that easily: Taody I wnet to garnmda's hsoue But can you get these easily on their own: sctiaonn tpelonehe nobeotok etc.

you forgot to scramble 'etc.'

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