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Pakistan's loyalty
Pakistan really has been quite the little helper. Why?
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| Originally posted by josh4 Pakistan really has been quite the little helper. Why? |
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| Al-Libbi�s arrest in Pakistan, announced last Wednesday, was described in the United States as �a major breakthrough� in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. Bush called him a �top general� and �a major facilitator and chief planner for the Al- Qaeda network�. Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state, said he was �a very important figure�. Yet the backslapping in Washington and Islamabad has astonished European terrorism experts, who point out that the Libyan was neither on the FBI�s most wanted list, nor on that of the State Department �rewards for justice� programme. |
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| The only operations in which he is known to have been involved are two attempts to assassinate Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan�s president, in 2003. Last year he was named Pakistan�s most wanted man with a $350,000 (�185,000) price on his head. No European or American intelligence expert contacted last week had heard of al-Libbi until a Pakistani intelligence report last year claimed he had taken over as head of operations after Khalid Shaikh Mohammad�s arrest. A former close associate of Bin Laden now living in London laughed: �What I remember of him is he used to make the coffee and do the photocopying.� |
Re: Pakistan's loyalty
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| Originally posted by josh4 Pakistan really has been quite the little helper. Why? |
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| Originally posted by tamk a military governement, promise of military aid, its the 70's all over again with pakistan, the US will use us, abuse us then label us terorrists. after proping up our dictator for 10 years and destroying all viable demortic institutions they will force us to adopt a flawed democracy fueled by corruption and murder and then we'll be robbed again. save this post and read in 10 years. |
^^^ why would you say that? just curious
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| Originally posted by tamk ^^^ why would you say that? just curious |
I love the conjecture in this place sometimes... 
my dads friends with someone who works for the pakistan gov..and he was saying the american intelligence is up to no good in pakistan. assasination plots etc. cant mind the exact story he told me, but it was along those lines. according to him they are well involved in setting up the gov in that country. could be untrue though, but wouldnt surprise me if it was true.
the only reason musharraf is alive is thanks to the americans, once he outlives their use the next attempt on his life will be succesfull. he knows it and therefore is america's best friend in the region
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I love the conjecture in this place sometimes... |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I love the conjecture in this place sometimes... |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley So no opinions whatsoever on the this topic? Or are you josh4's other username?! |
i agree its a demeaning cartoon, but what i take from it is that its not a case that pakistan doesnt have a mind of its own, more that it is acting as america's pet..fully capable to do what it wants, but instead obeying america, like a pet, able to wither obey or disobey would.
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Opinions are not a prerequisite to aptitude. However if you must know, it's quite obvious (my 'opinion' of course) that the artist doesn't believe that Pakistan has a mind of it's own. It's very demeaning actually and I can totally understand Pakistan's outrage. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley I thought your earlier comment was aimed at me? |
according to the cartoonist the uproar is a misunderstanding due to a cultural gap, according to him dogs are a man's best friend:
'Cultural gap'
Cartoonist Bill Garner told Pakistan's Dawn newspaper that he never intended to offend the Pakistani nation.
"It is a cultural gap, a cultural misunderstanding that caused the uproar.
"The symbol to me was that of friendship," he was reported as saying. "There is a saying in English that a dog is a man's best friend."
"There has always been a great friendship with animals, especially dogs, in America".
Mr Garner said that the cartoon was meant to depict "the spirit of goodwill and friendship that exists between the two countries".
He said the reaction to his cartoon was entirely different from what he had expected.
But in Pakistan, the cartoon controversy combined with the issue of desecration of the Muslim holy book at Gauntanamo Bay to trigger a fiery session in the parliament focussed on Pakistan's cooperation with the US.
Some legislators called for a complete review of Pakistan's alliance with the US.
Leader of the opposition Maulana Fazlur Rehman said Pakistan had gone to humiliating lengths to cooperate with the US.
"We want to be friends with the US, but we want friendship not a master-slave relationship," he said.
Cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan said that Pakistan should deny the US the use of its bases.
"East is east and West is west, and never the twain shall meet," sighed the Washington Times in an editorial on 10 May in response to the uproar in Pakistan.
Would that be Bill Garner, the biggest bull shitter this side of the Great Wall of China by any chance?!
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