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Posted by Pinokio on May-14-2005 16:55:

Amateur Production (Help)

I just got fruity loops, and i Woudl like to open a song and try to remix it.
not just remix it, but i would like to hjave an idea of how are they composed

do they need to be in .wav or .m3 or i need transfrom it ina nother format to open it with fruitty loops.

Thanks--

Posted by dyne on May-14-2005 17:47:

i have no idea what you're saying, but the answer will probably be here

Posted by BOOsTER on May-14-2005 17:56:

as I see it, I would recommend an english course or a computer course maybe even more

Posted by Project 7 on May-14-2005 18:09:

I have no problem understading

He wants to know can he open a mp3/Wav file in FL to remix it, or could he convert one so it will have its structure intact through FL

Bassically you cant, you need a FLP file, its the file type that FL uses

Posted by Floorfiller on May-14-2005 18:57:

Re: Amateur Production (Help)

quote:
Originally posted by Pinokio
I just got fruity loops, and i Woudl like to open a song and try to remix it.
not just remix it, but i would like to hjave an idea of how are they composed

do they need to be in .wav or .m3 or i need transfrom it ina nother format to open it with fruitty loops.

Thanks--

ok couple of things...

1. you can't just take your mp3 of a song and open it in a program like fruity loops and start hitting buttons because you'll have all of the sounds on the same channels. what you need to do is take a song that you like...sample out the elements that you'd like to incorporate into your remix and load each of those samples into fruity loops. this way you'll have each on a seperate channel and you can tweak them accordingly.

2. when you do this they will need to be in a .wav format. you can inport samples into FL sound banks in this format and open them from there on out.

3. you also can't open your favorite song into FL and see the structure of that song because well...it isn't a .FLP file like someone mentioned. if you try and load an entire song into FL via .wav...for every note you play...you will get the entire song...you won't see any of the structural elements. what you should do is load up one of the riffs or songs that comes with the program itself to see how different elements work together...

Posted by BOOsTER on May-14-2005 19:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Project 7
I have no problem understading

He wants to know can he open a mp3/Wav file in FL to remix it, or could he convert one so it will have its structure intact through FL

Bassically you cant, you need a FLP file, its the file type that FL uses

ahhhhhhhhhhh I didn't understand it...I though he asks how to open a flp file...errrm silly me

Posted by DJ Shibby on May-14-2005 22:37:

Re: Amateur Production (Help)

Posted by Pinokio on May-14-2005 22:49:

Thanks to all for the help provided here, I really Apreciated.

my point here was not to remix professionally asong, i just thought it was ogign to be more easy to see the structure of a song and hten play with it.

i just got the demo of fruity,
do you recommend me fruity loops or cubase?

Again thansk to all of you.

Posted by Pinokio on May-14-2005 22:52:

ah another question

wich software do i need to sample?

Posted by Analog Artisan on May-15-2005 01:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Pinokio
my point here was not to remix professionally asong, i just thought it was ogign to be more easy to see the structure of a song and hten play with it.

YOur best bet is in FL to click File -> Open -> and go to the tutorials folder, you should find about 50 .flp files that will show you all sorts of ways fruityloops can be used to write music.

quote:
Originally posted by Pinokio
i just got the demo of fruity,
do you recommend me fruity loops or cubase?

If your just starting out, and the structure of writing music, using host's and VST's is something your not familiar with, use Fruityloops to start, its the easiest program to learn the basics on.

Posted by dj jasonF on May-15-2005 13:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Shane Tighe
dont listen to these jack ass's in here. first, you need to get something better than fruity loops. if you're going to start producing and spending the time learning, at least get cubase. its hard to learn, but you will learn and be able to make quality tracks. also, if you want to remix a track, why dont you just email the artist and ask for the original wav files. you cant take a track and sample sounds out. it sounds like garbage, and quite frankly, it doesnt work! once you learn mastering you'll understand why. but just to give you and idea.... when a track is produced, there can be up to 50 separate channels (maybe more) and when the final mixdown is done, they take all of the channels and mix them into one. can you imagine tring to separate all of those to get sounds and filter out all the other files? its useless to try. no track is ever done in fruity loops by any big producer my friend. you need to learn with the big boys, and then you'll be happier you took the time to go with the good stuff. good luck and enjoy producing.

cheers,
Shane
www.shanetighe.ca

you are just fucking stupid.... no pro tracks made in fl??? what the fuck do you know??? prodigy. relocate and so many more use fl... you are stupid if you think that cubase is better thatn fl. the are both gr8 with ups and downs but the poit is what really actualy suits you and helps you make music.

every program that is good enough is gr8. the program doesnt make the music. you do. cubase/logic/nuendo/sonar and stuff are the more so called pro programs. but i i find that making a track in cubase is harder than it is in floops. its slower... dunno just doesnt work for me. floops is easy, understandable and fast. verry fast... you make loops in the paterns and just mix them down. anyways id say start with reason or fl. reason is better cuz all the synths are build in and they are good for start. but youll need vstis some day and youll move in cubase/fl.

anyways thats too much info for a begginer just get a program fuck arround with it learn the basics learn some music theory and google everything you dont understand or ask here. if you really like it and stick to it... you ll be able to make gr8 tracks some day. its gonna take years tho.

good luck

Posted by Analog Artisan on May-15-2005 14:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Shane Tighe
dont listen to these jack ass's in here. first, you need to get something better than fruity loops. no track is ever done in fruity loops by any big producer my friend.

Lol, speak for yourself! you have no clue.. oh.. i see.. your a DJ... no wonder you have your head so far up your arse you have no clue whats going on around you...

I'll just point out all the following "bigboys" as you put it.. use fruityloops...

guyver
S.H.O.K.K
nick thompson
flutlicht
Cosmicman
mike oldfield
Yanave
Ozgur Can
Re:locate
Luke Terry

Im never against someone using cubase,logic,protools.. its just a well known fact a huge amount of the people who start on hosts like these end up quitting due to the steep learning curve...

most people who start with fruity stay producing, or move on to one of the move advanced platforms...

Good luck with your productions Pinokio

Posted by lucas ss on May-15-2005 20:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Analog Artisan
Lol, speak for yourself! you have no clue.. oh.. i see.. your a DJ... no wonder you have your head so far up your arse you have no clue whats going on around you...

note to self...DJs have their heads up their asses...got it.

Posted by Shane Tighe on May-15-2005 20:31:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Analog Artisan
Lol, speak for yourself! you have no clue.. oh.. i see.. your a DJ... no wonder you have your head so far up your arse you have no clue whats going on around you...

I personally think someone who would even make a comment like that has their head even more far up their ass. But what do I know. Im just a dj. Oh wait a second, I forgot I produce as well

Posted by Shane Tighe on May-15-2005 20:42:

One last thing Analog Artisan,
When you make a stupid comment insulting dj's, you have to keep in mind that about 80% of the people in trance addict are dj's, and you dont just insult me, but you may insult many more people. You never know... your mom could be a dj

Posted by Signal2005 on May-15-2005 20:55:

jackass

Dont worry hes only upset becuase he went and bought cubase and it took him forever to make a track when it takes people a day in fruity.

Why becuase

easy to use
much more going for it
and it doesnt look shitty and bland like most software ou thtere.

it actually makes you wanna produce its almost like a video game its fun easy and exciting and by the way..

Fruity is one of the most advanced softwares out there that offers so much for so less.

are u gonna tell me my alesis micron sucks becuase id didnt pay top dollar for it and becuase its small.

lmao flstudio inm y opinion is by far one of the best softwares for production out there end of story.

Posted by Shane Tighe on May-15-2005 21:03:

You are right about fruity loops, it is good, but after you really get involved in producing, i just dont think its as capable of more advanced production features. at any rate, this thread is going in a terrible direction and Im not one to sit and fight all day, so how about we all agree that we like the software we like and thats it

cheers

Posted by Shane Tighe on May-15-2005 21:05:

and just for the record, I used to use fruity loops yrs ago and for quite a while. and truth be told, i can make a track in 8 hrs on cubase from begining to end.

peace

Posted by Signal2005 on May-15-2005 21:07:

sure

ok fine but remember tell me what other software can do thats truly usefull that fruity cant.

becuase from were im standing i dont see much.

Posted by DJ-Igloo on May-15-2005 21:10:

FLS is a very good starter program but branching off in to cubase gives u alot more options hardware wize.

Posted by Shane Tighe on May-15-2005 21:21:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Igloo
FLS is a very good starter program but branching off in to cubase gives u alot more options hardware wize.

exactly, and thank you

Posted by DJ-Igloo on May-15-2005 21:31:

no problem I mean here at J&C we got back to fruity loops everynow and then when we have a track on deadline but most of the time we work in cubase

Posted by Signal2005 on May-15-2005 21:42:

well

If you like it fine.

I personally have been into cubase a few years back and didnt see anything i liked it was rather bland and took forever to get something going.

Posted by Shane Tighe on May-15-2005 21:58:

I think everyone is making fair and valid points. I just learned to use cubase and now I am able to write a rough track within hrs. but everyone is different. i think it also depends on your mood. you could lay down a track in fruity in 5 hrs on a good day, but if you cant think straight, it could take you 5 weeks. its all about your mood and how much you are into it at that very moment.
cheers

Posted by Signal2005 on May-15-2005 22:10:

i hate that

I hate when it takes long personally if i cant finish within same day i scrap it.

i lose the vibe u have to be into what ur doing and on diffrent days my vibe is diffrent.I just love to get deep into a mix and be like.

"you know what would sound good here"

and in seconds you find that sound and belt out whatever your aiming for its great.

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