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Pakistan / Afghanistan dont understand democracy / freedom of speech

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Newsweek Apologizes; Afghans Want Action By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago Muslims in Afghanistan gave Washington three days to offer a response to a Newsweek story that claimed the Islamic holy book was desecrated at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, but the magazine apologized Sunday for the report, which prompted deadly riots across Afghanistan last week. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050516...ast_us_protests

between Pakistan and the political cartoon and this, it seems like these Muslim countries just aren't getting it. it ends with the appology, its like they expect Washington to execute the people responsible. someone tell them thats not how a democracy works. 15 people dead for a riot over a news report? talk about jumping to conclusions

tell me about it . If it was a free and open society there would be no place for so many fanatics.

Hell when I was in a best western with my girlfriend our fridge had a missing leg and we used the bible to prop it up. Ooooo maybe the Catholic world will burn a few UN buildings, kill some people, protest, flip over some cars, and chant death threats at me.

This just shows how fanatic this religion truly is. It is just a book with some print on it, my god, what an overblown reaction to nothing. Perhaps the people protesting and killing each other should be the ones to apologize for being idiots.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Hell when I was in a best western with my girlfriend our fridge had a missing leg and we used the bible to prop it up. Ooooo maybe the Catholic world will burn a few UN buildings, kill some people, protest, flip over some cars, and chant death threats at me. This just shows how fanatic this religion truly is. It is just a book with some print on it, my god, what an overblown reaction to nothing. Perhaps the people protesting and killing each other should be the ones to apologize for being idiots.

Or...they hate you so much they're just lookin for any excuse perhaps?

And please explain to me how this represents a billion people?

so what if they reject democracy? and so what if they get fanatical about someone offending their religion? perhaps is shows a refreshing amount of commitment and absolute faith that is absent in todays society. honestly, why must we demonise people who do not accord with western ideals?

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Originally posted by svens_bath so what if they reject democracy? and so what if they get fanatical about someone offending their religion? perhaps is shows a refreshing amount of commitment and absolute faith that is absent in todays society. honestly, why must we demonise people who do not accord with western ideals?

I dont have a problem demonising fanatics, its just that I have a problem with people using these fanatics to demonise the Muslim world. I hate religious fanatics whatever religion they come from but I also hate people who use these minorities to try and generalise about that particular religion...why dont these people post thread after thread about the American theocracy?

i think we should stop demonising people sticking up for what they belive in...america has gone to war to protect its democratic idelogy. anyone else does it and its a problem, or thier fanatics/fundamentalists. all fundamentalists are imo, are people who actually follow their particular faith, be it football or the bible. i dont see a problem with that. lets stop treating those who are fanatical about their religion as criminals, and start treating those who kill in the name of religion as criminals.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil This just shows how fanatic this religion truly is.

Spoken like a true ignorant asshole. It's ******s like you that make life harder for all the muslims in the west by generalizing like that.

Have you ever even read the Quran? I suggest you shut the fuck up since you don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Spoken like a true ignorant asshole. It's ******s like you that make life harder for all the muslims in the west by generalizing like that. Have you ever even read the Quran? I suggest you shut the fuck up since you don't know what you're talking about.

Why would I read the Quran? I don't care what their damn book preaches, it is what the people do that sets the example. A book preaching peace doesn't mean anything if you don't follow it.

Their book is flushed down the toilet, or poor them, oh the world is going to end, oh woahs me. What a bunch of overreacting to nothing. They just need another excuse to go out in the streets and burn a few more flags, kill a few more people, and burn a couple more UN buildings all over a .50 cent book and is preaching the exact opposite of what they are doing.

I like your e-smacktalking.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil They just need another excuse to go out in the streets and burn a few more flags, kill a few more people, and burn a couple more UN buildings all over a .50 cent book and is preaching the exact opposite of what they are doing.

this isnt what you said in your first post, where you suggested that the religion was fanatical, as opposed to the people who follow it. think thats why he got so upset

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Why would I read the Quran? I don't care what their damn book preaches, it is what the people do that sets the example. A book preaching peace doesn't mean anything if you don't follow it.

And you agree that "This just shows how fanatic this religion truly is" is applicable to Christianity and Judaism??

The religion itself isn't fanatic, it is the people that can be fanatic. For example there are lots of fanatic Catholics who flocked to see Pope John Paul II when he died. They were more fanatic than your average catholic albeit in a good way. Very rarely you will see a group of Christians intentionally getting together to slur hate at another group, to maim, kill, or destroy in a retaliatory act.

I don't disagree that there are good Muslims. However do you honestly think if Newsweek reported that an Iraqi soldier flushed a bible down the toilet millions of Christians would revolt, kill each other, burn down buildings, cars, burn flags, and chant hate speeches?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil The religion itself isn't fanatic, it is the people that can be fanatic. For example there are lots of fanatic Catholics who flocked to see Pope John Paul II when he died. They were more fanatic than your average catholic albeit in a good way. Very rarely you will see a group of Christians intentionally getting together to slur hate at another group, to maim, kill, or destroy in a retaliatory act.

Every religion has its fanatics that can be pursuaded to resort to violence (look at your fucking government for an example of Christian fanatics killing people) You think if the boot were on the other foot the American Christians would react any differently? If you do you are even more dillusioned than you appear to be right now...

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I don't disagree that there are good Muslims. However do you honestly think if Newsweek reported that an Iraqi soldier flushed a bible down the toilet millions of Christians would revolt, kill each other, burn down buildings, cars, burn flags, and chant hate speeches?

I believe even you made reference to the fact that they are just looking for excuses (and I know I did)

FFS are you totally incapable of putting this into context?

And not only that, who exactly was doing the killing?! The fucking Afghan authorities - not these "fanatics"

Jesus sometimes I fucking do dispair

Yes I believe Christians would react differently.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Yes I believe Christians would react differently.

Right so Christians under occupation from another civilisation would show no opposition even in the face of provocation and (what they were led to believe, true or not) desecration of their culture?

What fucking planet are on?!

I need to throw more "fuckings" into my responses. It really helps get the point across much better.

Lets try it.

What fucking country is fucking occupying fucking afghanistan? Jesus motherfucking christ, are you on fucking planet fucking earth? Last fucking time I heard fucking Afghanistan was fucking under its own motherfucking government's control. For fucks sake.

Oh the smoke is just steaming from my fingertips now.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I need to throw more "fuckings" into my responses. It really helps get the point across much better. Lets try it. What fucking country is fucking occupying fucking afghanistan? Jesus motherfucking christ, are you on fucking planet fucking earth? Last fucking time I heard fucking Afghanistan was fucking under its own motherfucking government's control. For fucks sake. Oh the smoke is just steaming from my fingertips now.

hehehe....(fucking) suits you......what are the Americans doing there then if the government has it under control....same for Iraq.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I need to throw more "fuckings" into my responses. It really helps get the point across much better. Lets try it. What fucking country is fucking occupying fucking afghanistan? Jesus motherfucking christ, are you on fucking planet fucking earth? Last fucking time I heard fucking Afghanistan was fucking under its own motherfucking government's control. For fucks sake. Oh the smoke is just steaming from my fingertips now.

Yea all the troops just upped and left didnt they?

And you failed to respond to the fact that these "fanatics" as you call them have killed no-one...

And why dont you think Christians would react like that if they were under occupation to a foreign civilisation they did not want to be occupied by?

I can give you a list as long as my arm where Christian people have protested against an occupier (Northern Ireland and Palestine spring to mind immediately)

But thats the thing I dont think you understand - these people protested, and the Afghan authorities shot them

Now I'm confused as to what your point is?

That Chrisitians would not protest? Or that Chrisitan cultures would not shoot protesters/rioters? Cos your wrong on both counts aren't you?

I said aren't you?

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Originally posted by zig hehehe....(fucking) suits you......what are the Americans doing there then if the government has it under control....same for Iraq.

Well I'd say it is a level above US troops being in Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and South Korea. They were all a direct result of a war and US forces have stayed as a peacekeeping force. Eventually as in the case with Saudi Arabia and now South Korea and Germany our forces are leaving or when the host country doesn't want our forces there any longer. US troops leaving Afghanistan and Iraq would cause more harm than good I think in terms of a resorting to all out lawlessness.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Well I'd say it is a level above US troops being in Germany, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and South Korea. They were all a direct result of a war and US forces have stayed as a peacekeeping force. Eventually as in the case with Saudi Arabia and now South Korea and Germany our forces are leaving or when the host country doesn't want our forces there any longer. US troops leaving Afghanistan and Iraq would cause more harm than good I think in terms of a resorting to all out lawlessness.

Its a level above allright....

You mean the war is over?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil US troops leaving Afghanistan and Iraq would cause more harm than good I think in terms of a resorting to all out lawlessness.

most definitely. Iraqs prime minister has even said he wants the troops to stay for at least another 2 years. all this "bring our troops home" carry on quite misunderstands the problem. and all these mothers of troops are even worse...you dont wnat to be in a war...dont join the army..pretty simple concept here.

anyway, as to what you said earlier about would Christians react differebtly if it was a Bible flushed down a toliet...well maybe they would..but do you think it would attract the same media attention? probably not.

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Originally posted by svens_bath anyway, as to what you said earlier about would Christians react differebtly if it was a Bible flushed down a toliet...well maybe they would..but do you think it would attract the same media attention? probably not.

I'll say it again...

You have to put it in context. This story is very convienient for those wanting to portray Muslims as evil terrorists, and if we heard that someone flushed a Bible down the toilet I'm sure people wouldn't riot. But that is comparing apples with oranges.

If we were under occupation from an enemy that is seen as bent on destroying and conquering Christianity, and then they flushed a Bible down the tiolet there would almost certainly be riots

And as for riots over noting...what about our country? We have riots when England lose a football match, as do every other nation in Europe...what does that tell you about us?

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Originally posted by svens_bath most definitely. Iraqs prime minister has even said he wants the troops to stay for at least another 2 years. all this "bring our troops home" carry on quite misunderstands the problem. and all these mothers of troops are even worse...you dont wnat to be in a war...dont join the army..pretty simple concept here. anyway, as to what you said earlier about would Christians react differebtly if it was a Bible flushed down a toliet...well maybe they would..but do you think it would attract the same media attention? probably not.

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US troops leaving Afghanistan and Iraq would cause more harm than good I think in terms of a resorting to all out lawlessness.

Perhaps being there in the first place is what is causeing the harm.

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Originally posted by zig Perhaps being there in the first place is what is causeing the harm.

maybe, but in my opinion, getting rid of saddam was worth this war. legal or illegal, and you can argue a decent case for either

anyway, the fact is they are there now.

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