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Posted by mixtup on Nov-27-2001 01:55:

Stanton vs Ortofon

Just wondering why most top DJ's continue to use Stanton carts if Ortofons are so much better?

Wouldn't they use the best carts available in order to get the best out of the sound system?

Posted by cycloptor on Nov-27-2001 02:49:

yeah, but have you ever smelt cheese?
....smells pretty bad dont it...

Posted by ShadySlim on Nov-27-2001 03:38:

Re: Stanton vs Ortofon

quote:
Originally posted by mixtup
Just wondering why most top DJ's continue to use Stanton carts if Ortofons are so much better?

Well, most Ortofon cartridges aren't designed for DJing - they're strictly music-listening cartridges. Most Stanton cartridges, on the other hand, can withstand the abuse of DJing, such as scratching and intentionally rotating the turntable platter backwards.

Posted by Lars Northrop on Nov-27-2001 04:33:

Well, wrong you are, Shady. Ortofon has *the* best series of DJ cartridges alongside their audiophile carts (such as Rohmann and Jubilee). Ortofon Concorde and OM series (ranging from Pro to Nightclub) are specifically designed for the DJ needs. And IMHO Stanton cartridges are HORRIBLE for the price you pay for them. I've had them fail on me in the middle of a set on more than one occasion. I strongly advise against Stanton carts, especially their Trackmaster / Groovemaster series.

How I love it when people spread their ignorance. Would it kill you if you checked your "facts" before mindlessly posting ?

Posted by ShadySlim on Nov-27-2001 05:01:

Well sorry, I haven't shopped for cartridges for more than a decade...

Posted by djskylz on Nov-30-2001 13:36:

ever tried to put extra weight on your ortofon needle when you need more needle preassure? When using the stanton 500, just put a coin on it, that won't work with ortofon.

Greetz Maarten

Posted by Lars Northrop on Nov-30-2001 17:37:

With an Ortofon cart you don't NEED to put coins for extra pressure to begin with.
Or if you really want to mess with coins and drive the needle with pressures way past its specifications, you can buy an Ortofon OM version which mounts on a standard headshell and put all the coins you want on it. I just wouldn't want to see your records after playing them a few times on such a setup.

Posted by djskylz on Nov-30-2001 21:20:

so you can get 7 grams of needle preasure with an ortofon needle?

Posted by Lars Northrop on Nov-30-2001 22:48:

I don't see why you would want to do that because the cart wouldn't track any better, it would sound horrible, and the stylus and your records would wear out extremely fast. But yes, you can do it.

Posted by DJ LIQUID on Dec-01-2001 01:13:

quote:
Originally posted by djskylz
so you can get 7 grams of needle preasure with an ortofon needle?

I believe its 8.5 grams

Posted by boy_luke_y2k on Dec-01-2001 09:38:

Orfoton DJ cartridges are the best on the market.
Why would you need so much weight anyway, and where would you put a coin on the DJ S series?

My setup is:
Decks - Technics sl-1200 mk2 Silver
Cartridges - Oftofon DJ S Blue
Tonearm height - 5.5mm
Weight - 1.75g
Anti-Skate - 1.5

And I can mix and scratch without any skipping or hiss.

Posted by DJTJ on Dec-01-2001 16:43:

How about taking the tonearm weight completely off the back and then glueing it onto the headshell?

Posted by djskylz on Dec-02-2001 19:23:

quote:
I don't see why you would want to do that because the cart wouldn't track any better, it would sound horrible, and the stylus and your records would wear out extremely fast. But yes, you can do it.

They do that at all the big parties in the Netherlands!! And you won't get 20.000 or more people dancing with a horrible sound

Posted by Lars Northrop on Dec-02-2001 21:34:

On a soundsystem at a 20 000+ people party you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a horrible 10th generation copy on Type 1 tape and DVD Audio Discs - so you can do stunts like that. And the reason why they run the needles beyond specifications is just because nobody bothers to suspend the decks properly and shield them from vibrations. Also most DJs at parties clip the mixer/soundsystem anyway so the sound quality degradation from the needle doesn't really make that much of a difference. You can be using Stanton 500 AL and it would sound just as good (or should I say just as bad).

Posted by ShadySlim on Dec-03-2001 00:34:

And I would like to add that the typical dance club can be packed with hundreds - if not thousands - of guests! And the typical dance-club sound system tends to be loud but crappy-sounding PA amps and speakers! And the dance clubs/halls themselves have too many echoing resonances, to boot! No wonder why you won't hear much of a difference between a REALLY crappy Stanton cartridge and a REALLY great Ortofon cartridge! Gyah.

Happy spinning!

Posted by wookieslut on Dec-03-2001 06:53:

i have two shure M44 gs and they work fine. And on my setup i took the toning arm weight, turned it around, slid it all the way down the arm, put anti skate on 3, and height on 2... Never a skip, so easy to cue! I love it...and no, it doesnt screw up the needle or record

Posted by djskylz on Dec-03-2001 09:04:

At those dutch party they use LabGruppen amps, those things are the best available! and the decks are suspended properly, you should check the video (if available), or go to such a party (next one: innercity, 29 december, after that one: trance energy, 16 februari)

Greetz Maarten