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US should mind their own business

Since the beginning of its history, the Unites States haven't stopped their colonialist policy. What is even tragic, they have always tried to give "genuine" motivations for their actions.

The first episode was the massacre of the American Indians during the seventeenth century and beyond. The reason was to "civilize" the whole American teritory, and thus making a millenar culture almost completely disappear.

The same goes with Iraq today. The US Government shouldn't motivate their imperialist outtern policies by saying that their ultimate reason is "bring the democracy all over the world". They should understand that NO ONE WANTS/NEEDS THEIR "GOOD" INTENTIONS. The iraqian people have lived there for 5000 years old (while the Ameican people has inly existed for max 500 years). The issues in the Middle East should be solved there, with no outtern "help".

When American troops go to war, they are always in "defense". Their opponets are always the "bad-guys", "attackers". Americans should think about who provokes the most wars on Earth right now, and should consider admitting that they have been braiwashed for many centuries now.

They will never ever admit that they are/were wrong on anything.

It is not about freedom and democracy since none could be forced upon anyone.so they can shove their democracy up Bush's ass.

look at Iraq now,a real disaster,but this administration doesnt want to admit it.to them they are succeeding in the war on terror and the Iraqi people are free and happy.

Most of the problems in the middle east is because of the U.S. involvements in that region.Reality is though they wont be leaving anytime soon and more and more people will suffer and die.

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http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/f....php?forumid=16

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Originally posted by occrider I'm sorry, I think you made a wrong turn somewhere. Perhaps you were looking for this place: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/f....php?forumid=16 ?

That was beautiful.

Re: US should mind their own business

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Originally posted by brashy They should understand that NO ONE WANTS/NEEDS THEIR "GOOD" INTENTIONS.

What a load of bollox

Would you guys just humor him for crist sake.

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Originally posted by brashy The first episode was the massacre of the American Indians during the seventeenth century and beyond. The reason was to "civilize" the whole American teritory, and thus making a millenar culture almost completely disappear. The same goes with Iraq today.

Um, did you just try to make a connection between the 17th century European colonisation of North America and the current war against Iraq? I've heard it all now. Even the "no blood for oil" crew looks sane in comparison.

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Originally posted by occrider I'm sorry, I think you made a wrong turn somewhere. Perhaps you were looking for this place: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/f....php?forumid=16 ?

I say, how's the view up there from the Ivory Tower, occ?

he has got a point tho, at least when europe where fighting all over the world, our spoken intentions was simply to use others natural resources, to get more land/ppl, or to convert others to our point of view (mainly religion). While the US have the same intentions, they simply make it sound like something else

And if the U.S. were to close the borders, sit back and watch the world without any involvement, the very same people who are complaining about the U.S. being too involved would start complaining that they're not doing enough.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew he has got a point tho, at least when europe where fighting all over the world, our spoken intentions was simply to use others natural resources, to get more land/ppl, or to convert others to our point of view (mainly religion). While the US have the same intentions, they simply make it sound like something else

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Originally posted by Shakka And if the U.S. were to close the borders, sit back and watch the world without any involvement, the very same people who are complaining about the U.S. being too involved would start complaining that they're not doing enough.

That's just your imagination. Pretty typicaly american cliche that is comletely false.

Well, brashy does make some good points. If you look at American history and foreighn policy, it's nothing to write home about. For example, just to mention a few:
1. The natives basically being masaccred and their land stolen.
2. Slavery.
3. Civil War (over slavery, now that's very civilized).
4. Foreighn policy in the Middle East and Latin America.

The list goes on.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, brashy does make some good points. If you look at American history and foreighn policy, it's nothing to write home about. For example, just to mention a few: 1. The natives basically being masaccred and their land stolen. 2. Slavery. 3. Civil War (over slavery, now that's very civilized). 4. Foreighn policy in the Middle East and Latin America. The list goes on.

well, im not gonna give props to most atrocities across the globe, but 'natives' were being masaccred[sic] long before the US existed. slavery amongst blacks and non-blacks existed before the colonies of Americas, civil war is an ancient and very human phenomenon. (i certainly am not an animal behavioralist, as otherwise there likely could be some justified explanations in regard to interspecies conflict)

and, just as the US and Western countries have their own foreign policy, so does every nation, group, et al in existance. the US is just cannon fodder for the world now that its not a polar, cold war era world any longer.

that being said, most actions are inecusable. but we arent operating in a vaccuum here|

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's just your imagination. Pretty typicaly american cliche that is comletely false.

I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

Can you please give me a concrete example of a situation where the world has cried out for US military intervention. I can only think of Rwanda-like scenarios, and in those cases the outcry has been directed towards UN intervention rather than US.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

Maybe in the West, definetly not in the middle east and other parts of Asia.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Can you please give me a concrete example of a situation where the world has cried out for US military intervention. I can only think of Rwanda-like scenarios, and in those cases the outcry has been directed towards UN intervention rather than US.

Hmm lets think...
Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, UK, France, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jorda, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Iraq, South Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Hiati, Somalia, Balkans... nah can't come up with any

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Originally posted by Yoepus Hmm lets think... Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, UK, France, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jorda, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Iraq, South Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Hiati, Somalia, Balkans... nah can't come up with any

LOL!
Amazing how selective arguements get when trying to make a point huh?

What is wrong with the U.S. helping countries that WANT help??
The U.S. has an obligation to the world when it is asked and everyone else called it, "Imperialism".
Whatever...

trancaholic:
Name a country that the U.S. has annexed due to it's "Imperialism".
I'll give you a hint...it's real close to 0...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What is wrong with the U.S. helping countries that WANT help?? The U.S. has an obligation to the world when it is asked and everyone else called it, "Imperialism". Whatever...

The problem is apparently that they would like to have their cake and eat it too, i.e. they want to be able to dictate the terms of the aid they receive. i.e. make the U.S. their personal bitch until they get what they want, then stab the U.S. in the back when all is done and remind the world how much they hated the U.S. in the first place. Thanks. Did my back hurt your knife?

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Originally posted by Shakka The problem is apparently that they would like to have their cake and eat it too, i.e. they want to be able to dictate the terms of the aid they receive. i.e. make the U.S. their personal bitch until they get what they want, then stab the U.S. in the back when all is done and remind the world how much they hated the U.S. in the first place. Thanks. Did my back hurt your knife?

I guess they must figure that the U.S. would just go in there for free, with a pat on the back, if not just use them for their own purposes like a rent-an-army.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

Perhaps you should consult other news sources, especially from foreign countries. You would be indeed surprised by the amount of brainwashing you have been exposed to by now.

+ thanks all for your opinions
+ thanks shaolin for yr support

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Originally posted by brashy Perhaps you should consult other news sources, especially from foreign countries. You would be indeed surprised by the amount of brainwashing you have been exposed to by now. + thanks all for your opinions + thanks shaolin for yr support

Would you provide me with some examples before you call me brainwashed?

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Originally posted by Shakka Would you provide me with some examples before you call me brainwashed?

I didn't call you brainwashed. What I said was the it is necesarry to hear many different opinions in order to get the big picture.

For example, young French and German people have started to resent the American political influences over Europe. The French Constitution case is classic (see thread), since it tends to replace traditional French laws and values so as to comply with new reglementations supported by Americans. In former Eastern Germany the young communist meetings are frequent; even disregarding these radicals, young people feel that the country's economic system is not working as it should (see high taxes, unemployment). Thus they pledge on concentrating on intern europen reforms, and not on political deals with America.

And at the same time, they are continuously thankful to have U.S. military bases there and they'd probably make a lot of noise if the U.S. were to evacuate those bases since they would lose a blanket of protection that has been given to them at a cost to American taxpayers.

Borrowing from Nathan Jessup...

"And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because but deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post."

/rant

the very existence of the US depends upon on its ability to conquer or control.

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