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Posted by josh4 on May-20-2005 21:12:

U.S. Investigates Near-Naked Saddam Photos

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U.S. Investigates Near-Naked Saddam Photos

By PATRICK QUINN, Associated Press Writer 13 minutes ago

Tabloid photographs Friday of an imprisoned Saddam Hussein naked except for his white underwear prompted a U.S. military investigation and condemnation from the Red Cross. President Bush said he did not think the images would incite further anti-American sentiment in Iraq.

Some Iraqis called the photos the latest in a series of insults to Arabs and Muslims. Others, however, said the humiliation is just what the 68-year-old former dictator deserves.

Regardless of any effect the images may have on Iraq's insurgency, they were certain to offend Arab sensibilities and heap more scorn on an American image already tarnished by the prisoner abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib prison and allegations by Newsweek, later retracted, about desecration of the Quran at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"It is clear that the pictures were taken inside the prison, which means that American soldiers have leaked the pictures," said Saddam's chief lawyer, Ziad al-Khasawneh. He said the photos "add to acts that are practiced against the Iraqi people, and of course we remember what happened in Abu Ghraib and we remember what happened in Guantanamo."

The photographs were published in Britain's The Sun and the New York Post, both controlled by Rupert Murdoch. The tabloids said the photos were provided by a U.S. military official it did not identify who hoped it would deal a "body blow" to the insurgency.

Sun managing editor Graham Dudman told The Associated Press that the newspaper paid "a small sum" for the photos. He would not elaborate except to say it was more than 500 British pounds, which is about $900. The paper said it would publish more photos Saturday.

Saddam's attorney said he would sue the newspaper "and everyone who helped in showing these pictures."

An apparently embarrassed U.S. military in Baghdad said the publication of the photos violated U.S. military guidelines "and possibly Geneva Convention guidelines for the humane treatment of detained individuals."

A spokesman, Staff Sgt. Don Dees, said the military would question the troops responsible for Saddam. Officials were trying to determine whether the images were taken from a surveillance camera or hand-held camera.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said U.S. military officials in Iraq believe the photos are "dated" � perhaps more than one year old, although no specific date has been established.

The International Committee for the Red Cross, which is responsible for monitoring prisoners of war and detainees, said the photographs violated Saddam's right to privacy.

"Taking and using photographs of him is clearly forbidden," ICRC Middle East spokeswoman Dorothea Krimitsas said. U.S. forces are obliged to "preserve the privacy of the detainee."

Aside from U.S. soldiers, the only others with access to Saddam are his legal team, prosecuting judge Raed Johyee and the ICRC.

In Baghdad coffee shops and elsewhere across this deeply conservative country, Iraqis watched as some Arab satellite networks � including Al-Arabiya � showed the front page of The Sun, with its picture of Saddam standing in his underwear. Other published photos show him clothed and seated on a chair doing some washing, sleeping and walking in what is described as his prison yard.

"This is an insult to show the former president in such a condition. Saddam is from the past now, so what is the reason for this? It is bad work from the media. Do they want to degrade the Iraqi people? Or they want to provoke their feelings," said Baghdad businessman Abu Barick.

Others were not so kind.

"Saddam Hussein and his regime were bloody and practiced mass killing against the people, therefore, whatever happens to Saddam, whether he is photographed naked or washing his clothes, it means nothing to me. That's the least he deserves," said Hawre Saliee, a 38-year-old Kurd.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050520...q_saddam_photos


Posted by George Smiley on May-20-2005 21:30:

Makes a change from the usual page 3s! Altho not an improvement...

Do American papers get page three girls in?


Posted by Shakka on May-20-2005 22:32:

I love the fact that his lawyer is suing for $1M over this.


Posted by trancaholic on May-20-2005 23:40:

This is getting ridiculous. Can anyone still watch Bush say that everything's under control without bursting into laughter?


Posted by George Smiley on May-21-2005 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
I love the fact that his lawyer is suing for $1M over this.

It is ironic but at the end of the day, this is a blatent violation of the Geneva Convention and therefore illegal, and usually when something is illegal the victim sues!


Posted by St_Andrew on May-21-2005 00:44:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Makes a change from the usual page 3s! Altho not an improvement...

Do American papers get page three girls in?


i dont think its very common, i think Toronto star has it, but really, that only means you shouldnt read it cause its a fucking gossip paper!

and no, no one can take bush seriously, at least outside the US.. heh


Posted by trancaholic on May-21-2005 02:04:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
It is ironic but at the end of the day, this is a blatent violation of the Geneva Convention and therefore illegal, and usually when something is illegal the victim sues!

Yeah. Furthermore, poor Mr. Hussein's reputation is destroyed by this. I mean, who would want to associate themselves with a guy who's been on the cover of The Sun in his underpants.


Posted by ogvh5150 on May-23-2005 21:50:

When will people see that their opinion is being made for them.


Posted by DJ-Kreing^^ on May-23-2005 21:52:

Pics or STFU


Posted by MisterOpus1 on May-23-2005 21:59:

Funny, he seemed to be more of a boxers guy, rather than a tighty whities fella.

Hmmm, when you think you know all about someone.....


Posted by smokeape on May-24-2005 00:31:

I think it would be interesting if they gave him a Nintendo game first person shooter where he always has to kill Iraqis and point of game is to kill Saddam, himself. Wonder how much he would play it. Oh, you know he would because he's bored senseless.
Probably more interesting fare than the Dick and Jane elementary texts they give him to read now.


[[[smoke]]]


Posted by zig on May-24-2005 02:19:

quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
When will people see that their opinion is being made for them.


Well this i do agree with, the pictures didnt happen by accident.


Posted by Dervish on May-24-2005 02:28:

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
I think it would be interesting if they gave him a Nintendo game first person shooter where he always has to kill Iraqis and point of game is to kill Saddam, himself. Wonder how much he would play it. Oh, you know he would because he's bored senseless.


[[[smoke]]]


From what I've heard about him, he'd throw his toys out of his pram/cell like the big man/baby he is.


Posted by Aquarian on May-24-2005 16:49:

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President Bush said he did not think the images would incite further anti-American sentiment in Iraq.


I feel sorry for anyone who still supports the president after this. Are the american people really so gullible?


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-24-2005 17:36:

What's the big deal really?

We see tons of bill boards with men in nothing but underwear and THIS is an issue??
Some people need to take their head out of their ass...
It's not like he's naked, he's in his SKIVIES!!! He's human...FFS...


Posted by George Smiley on May-24-2005 17:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
What's the big deal really?

We see tons of bill boards with men in nothing but underwear and THIS is an issue??
Some people need to take their head out of their ass...
It's not like he's naked, he's in his SKIVIES!!! He's human...FFS...

I dont think people are objecting on the grounds of taste! They are objecting cos it violates the Geneva Convention which is pretty serious (unless you are so powerful international law cannot be enforced against you...)


Posted by Dervish on May-24-2005 17:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
What's the big deal really?

We see tons of bill boards with men in nothing but underwear and THIS is an issue??
Some people need to take their head out of their ass...
It's not like he's naked, he's in his SKIVIES!!! He's human...FFS...


Switch him to a captured US female troop in her bra and panties on the front of every Arab Newspaper and Station with her face in full view and her name. Ok now? And before you say he'd do it to us... if we start doing what he'd do would that be good?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on May-24-2005 20:48:

So let's see here, according to Murdoch who's two tabloids published the photos of Saddam, they received these photos by paying a U.S. military official, hoping this would deal a "body blow" to the insurgency (which of course backfired, yet again):

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/nat...es/1564931.html

Hard to tell whether or not the Administration was behind letting these go through. Regardless, what idiot would think this would actually quell the insurgency?


Posted by ogvh5150 on May-24-2005 21:04:

quote:
Originally posted by zig
Well this i do agree with, the pictures didnt happen by accident.


Thinking is very chic these days. Thanks for agreeing.


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-24-2005 21:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
Switch him to a captured US female troop in her bra and panties on the front of every Arab Newspaper and Station with her face in full view and her name. Ok now? And before you say he'd do it to us... if we start doing what he'd do would that be good?


You forgot to add she'd probably be dead as well...


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-24-2005 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Regardless, what idiot would think this would actually quell the insurgency?


That's what I was thinking; who's hairbrained idea was this?
Looks like any ole shot would have been taken by the papparatzzi to me; maybe he has fans that have a 'right to know'?


Posted by George Smiley on May-24-2005 21:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
You forgot to add she'd probably be dead as well...

So not at all like some prisoners that have died in US custody?


Posted by Dervish on May-24-2005 21:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
You forgot to add she'd probably be dead as well...


How entirely relavent!


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-24-2005 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
How entirely relavent!


Absolutely!
Does Saddam appear dead? He looks liked every other prisoner being held in the U.S.
Three square meals, probably an exercise room with access to books and whatever else...what's the concern really? That he's not in his suit, smoking cigars and playing Xbox?
Come on...


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-24-2005 22:46:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
So not at all like some prisoners that have died in US custody?


I dunno but that's a good question.
Maybe you can name someone that has died in U.S. custody (of Saddam's magnitude)?


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