The origin of the Goldenscan - Sunrise melody

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Posted by flavdave on May-21-2005 21:40:

The origin of the Goldenscan - Sunrise melody

I did a search and came up with nothing, so I don't know if anyone talked about this before. Anyway, I was listening to the Electric Light Orchestra album "Time" (INCREDIBLE!) and there is a song called Another Heart Breaks. The melody from that song was used in Goldenscan - Sunrise. I don't have a copy of Sunrise so I don't know if Goldenscan credited ELO. Hear it for yourself:

Windows Media: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/c...0800588-1526233

Real Audio: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/c...0800588-1526233

Posted by 8Wonders on May-22-2005 06:14:

That's definitely the same melody, good job!

Posted by flavdave on May-22-2005 06:39:

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Originally posted by DC-
That's definitely the same melody, good job!

Hooray, cookie for me!

Posted by Coup on May-22-2005 10:37:

+1 cookie

Posted by Mebot on May-22-2005 17:47:

yeah like i posted on the other board..

it's funny to listen to an EDM track and then later hear the original song in it's classic 70's rock glory or 80's prog-rock goodness!

case in point: Listen to Steve Winwood's - Valerie and then listen to Eric Prydz - Call on Me..

coincedence? i hope Winwood got some royalties for this...

Posted by Floorfiller on May-22-2005 17:50:

yeah nice find man. i'm sure there is more stuff like this then we know hehehe. but yeah, i wonder if they would give E.L.O. credit for the melody or not...

Posted by Mebot on May-22-2005 17:55:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller
yeah nice find man. i'm sure there is more stuff like this then we know hehehe. but yeah, i wonder if they would give E.L.O. credit for the melody or not...

I've always wondered that myself.. you know how tracks have movie quotes (except for the fairly obvious movies like The Matrix), how many tracks actually give credit to the movie? For instance i have Jam X & De Leon - Can U Dig It 12", yet there is nothing that mentions the right to use the sample from the movie The Warriors.

and in this case, using obscure samples from old songs, do they have to pay royalties? I mean i suppose if ELO found out they could sue...

Posted by Floorfiller on May-22-2005 18:01:

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Originally posted by Mebot
I've always wondered that myself.. you know how tracks have movie quotes (except for the fairly obvious movies like The Matrix), how many tracks actually give credit to the movie? For instance i have Jam X & De Leon - Can U Dig It 12", yet there is nothing that mentions the right to use the sample from the movie The Warriors.

and in this case, using obscure samples from old songs, do they have to pay royalties? I mean i suppose if ELO found out they could sue...

they probably could sue if they really wanted to. but i guess it would really just come down to the court. you can sample as long as its not a substantial part of the song without consequence, but i would assume something like a melody would be grounds for a lawsuit hehe.

i dunno though...maybe the song is so different from the original that they don't need to license it

or maybe they have who knows...

my guess would be that royalties from EDM tunes aren't that great to begin with...and perhaps the cost of going to court is enough to make it not really worth the time and effort...

Posted by Mebot on May-22-2005 18:06:

you know how after a certain number of years, things become Public Domain...

i can't recall any specific things, but like copyrights to names, products and stuff can become free.

i think in the world of literature or arts, after so many years after the death of the artist, the copyright to the material is given up..

so what i'm getting at here is, could ELO have had their tracks copyrighted for a certain number of years and then never regained the rights? or have had them sold to someone else who freely distributed them?

hehe kinda reminds me of how all the Beatles stuff was going up for sale because it was at the end of the copyright term, and Paul McCartney got outbid by Michael Jackson!

Posted by Floorfiller on May-22-2005 18:09:

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Originally posted by Mebot
you know how after a certain number of years, things become Public Domain...

i can't recall any specific things, but like copyrights to names, products and stuff can become free.

i think in the world of literature or arts, after so many years after the death of the artist, the copyright to the material is given up..

so what i'm getting at here is, could ELO have had their tracks copyrighted for a certain number of years and then never regained the rights? or have had them sold to someone else who freely distributed them?

hehe kinda reminds me of how all the Beatles stuff was going up for sale because it was at the end of the copyright term, and Paul McCartney got outbid by Michael Jackson!

i'm pretty sure that the copyright to material like that is publically available 75 years after the artists death or something like that. so stuff by the beatles or E.L.O. would still be under copyright.

now, classical music on the other hand...i wouldn't think that those things would need permission for anymore as its been well over the time limit...i dunno though...so perhaps tunes that use classical music melodies wouldn't need to license them...

Posted by Mebot on May-22-2005 18:19:

well whatever the case may be, my head still 'asplode

Posted by Stamina Daddy on May-23-2005 02:34:

Posted by Magnetonium on May-24-2005 10:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Mebot
yeah like i posted on the other board..

it's funny to listen to an EDM track and then later hear the original song in it's classic 70's rock glory or 80's prog-rock goodness!

case in point: Listen to Steve Winwood's - Valerie and then listen to Eric Prydz - Call on Me..

coincedence? i hope Winwood got some royalties for this...

Well, actually, DJ Falcon ripped it off first in 2003 (DJ Falcon - Call One Me), and then Eric Prydz re-adjusted that DJ Falcon tune to this credit. And Eric Prydz ripped off at least one other classic that I know of. Kinda reminds me of Scooter and Junior Jack. Both of those ripped off countless tunes.

Posted by Joss Weatherby on Aug-01-2014 07:27:

Just noticed this myself, 9 years later.