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George Smiley and 9.11 = absurd

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originally posted by Tiesto14 http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=9 read that link... this guy claims the terrorists planned all of 9.11 and bin laden and Sheik Mohammad didnt.. NOW he claims Sheik Mohammad WAS NOT the 3rd man of Al Qaida.. can someone back me up here...i get to aggravated and want to smash my comp...lol

Awwww were you embarrased so much you had to delete the last one?!

Well ha ha ha!

Anyway...where was I?

Oh yes...

You have one hour to watch this film, and then you are gonna come back here and give me your opinions on it...

seen it when it was aired on bbc originally. Vry interesting. Personally i always questioned the excact involvement of bin laden.

The fact that al quedia always act in secert and in a cell is a big factor. Its not like the IRA where they had a army council deciding on what to do.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Awwww were you embarrased so much you had to delete the last one?! Well ha ha ha! Anyway...where was I? Oh yes... You have one hour to watch this film, and then you are gonna come back here and give me your opinions on it...

nah i jus decided i didnt want to get into a long winded debate with a tool like yourself who thinks Al Qaeda wasnt behind 9.11

BIN LADEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED

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Originally posted by tiesto14 BIN LADEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED

And in what definition exactly does 'involved' = 'planned'?

You keep making things up that I supposedly think or have said but YOU DONT READ ANYTHING I WRITE!!!

I have never said bin Laden or "al-Qaida" weren't involved, I said they didn't come up with the plan, they merely financed it. Nothing you have said has countered that.

And you refuse to watch that documentary I am basing my opinions on (altho you could read Burke's book, if you were capable of reading)

You have no right to make comment on anything I say until you have assessed for yourself the source I am using...

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Originally posted by George Smiley And in what definition exactly does 'involved' = 'planned'? You keep making things up that I supposedly think or have said but YOU DONT READ ANYTHING I WRITE!!! I have never said bin Laden or "al-Qaida" weren't involved, I said they didn't come up with the plan, they merely financed it. Nothing you have said has countered that. And you refuse to watch that documentary I am basing my opinions on (altho you could read Burke's book, if you were capable of reading) You have no right to make comment on anything I say until you have assessed for yourself the source I am using...

OK Bin Laden didnt help plan it?..this quote sure says otherwise::

"BIN LADEN
We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. (full text of the tape transcript)."


I dont want to sit for an hour watching some movie...last time one of u guys posted a movie it was that damn Road To Tyranny crap....last thing i need is to waste ANOTHER hour of my life on nonsense.

OK I am wacting this Road To Tyranny type nonsense..

All they seem to be saying is that poor little Bin Laden is the scapegoat for all these wrong doings...i think i am going to cry...poor Osama...

I am 20 minutes into this rubbish and am about to fall asleep...so what if America coined the phrase Al Qaida....we needed a name to call them as oppose to calling them "those guys in the hot dirt with rifles"

Al Qaeda is a figment of our imagination; there are no sleeper cells, and talk of lethal dirty bombs is all so much radioactive hot air...but if the US government doesnt do this and another attack happens people like George Smiley will say the US governemnt knew of the threats and did nothing to prevent them.,...friggen double talking nonsense.

I put this Curtis guy in the same boat as Moore, Chomsky and Zinn...i will acknowledge them but then politley ignore them...and put them on the same shelf as my manual to build a black helicopter with whisper mode.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 BIN LADEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED

that means shit to be honest. I dont think he planned it. he took responsibility for it since it was a group with the same goals as his. How did claiming he did it change his life it anyway? water of a ducks back to be honest.

I dont think he sat in his cave and organised it all, he saw it happen, might of even heard it was going to happen but i dont think he was the main organiser.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 OK Bin Laden didnt help plan it?..this quote sure says otherwise:: "BIN LADEN We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. (full text of the tape transcript)."

Well I dont think its too much of a stretch of the imagination to assume bin Laden would have wanted to go through the fine details of the plan he was about to fund do you? Looks to me thats what he was doing (also understand his motives - he wants to promote his ideology, and taking credit for all of this is a good way to go about it)

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying he was not involved cos he clearly was, and I'm not saying it was wrong to take him out, cos he is clearly a danger, but my objection is t the notion of what al-Qaida is (or isn't). And it isn't an international network of terrorists. There are terrorist cells in most countries, probably planning attacks - but these are not al-Qaida cells, they are all individual cells (some of whom may very well ask bin Laden for financing)

But then, you have displayed an absolute blind obliviousness to al-Qaida other than what your government tells you to believe...

LOL right...Bin Laden is innocent....and you people all know the truth.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well I dont think its too much of a stretch of the imagination to assume bin Laden would have wanted to go through the fine details of the plan he was about to fund do you? Looks to me thats what he was doing (also understand his motives - he wants to promote his ideology, and taking credit for all of this is a good way to go about it)

OK i am done tlaking to you....you beleive the world is out to get bin laden, there is no al qaida, santa claus is the anti christ and the four horsemen will be running soon so prepare ofr armageddon, which of course will be because of George Bush.

Take care of yourself psycho boy

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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL right...Bin Laden is innocent....and you people all know the truth.

Can you please hightlight the sentence when i said he was innocent?


i could claim everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but i wont


your a bit of a tool really arent you?

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Originally posted by Michael19 Can you please hightlight the sentence when i said he was innocent? i could claim everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but i wont your a bit of a tool really arent you?

no i just find u people funny....no u didnt say he was innocent..but u IMPLY he wasnt very much involved and shouldnt be a concern to authorities.

Honestly....u people remind me of the morons they interviewed in Road To Tyranny....ut oh watch out for the near police state and the microchips that will be implanted into you while satellites track your every move and steal your brain waves so they can use them for a new video game called "pacman plus human"...but this will only be used as a front to hid the black invisible helicopters they have hidden at Area 51 and when the aliens come down they will claim all the credit for 9.11 and say they tricked us all to think it was a bunch of middle easterners living in tents when in fact it was E.T. and Drew Barrymore, who they abducted in 1983 and replaced her with a clone so they can infiltrate all of Hollywood into becoming liberals and making George Clooney there main spokesman.

Did i miss anything?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 no i just find u people funny....no u didnt say he was innocent..but u IMPLY he wasnt very much involved and shouldnt be a concern to authorities.

When did i say he shouldnt be a concern for authorities? Just because i dont automatically take everything i am told as the gospel truth.

Please read what i actually type. I am saying it is certainly plausable that he wasnt the one who came up with the plan for the 9/11 attacks. I am not saying he is innocent, or didnt know, or is a perfectly harmless guy. I am just think its possible another cell came up with the plan and passed it onto him.

I dont think he has came up with every single attack that has been done by al-Qaida. Its a group made up of many different cells, they dont really have a leader then have to report to and get orders off.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 no i just find u people funny....no u didnt say he was innocent..but u IMPLY he wasnt very much involved and shouldnt be a concern to authorities. Honestly....u people remind me of the morons they interviewed in Road To Tyranny....ut oh watch out for the near police state and the microchips that will be implanted into you while satellites track your every move and steal your brain waves so they can use them for a new video game called "pacman plus human"...but this will only be used as a front to hid the black invisible helicopters they have hidden at Area 51 and when the aliens come down they will claim all the credit for 9.11 and say they tricked us all to think it was a bunch of middle easterners living in tents when in fact it was E.T. and Drew Barrymore, who they abducted in 1983 and replaced her with a clone so they can infiltrate all of Hollywood into becoming liberals and making George Clooney there main spokesman. Did i miss anything?

Nobody has implied bin Laden is innocent. As I said in the other thread, you are twisting people's words to suit your arguments. You are arguing from the position that we have said bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 - which nobody has. That is why your arguments dont stand up because you are not addressing the points people are making. What you are doing is addressing imaginary points you have made up in your head...

Welcome back Tiesto14,I guess you havent changed much,but hey Iam not surprised.

How do you live your daily life I wonder?do you live in fear and think the terrorists are out to get you everywhere you go?Do you really believe in those stupid terror alerts that your government loves to use to get more public support in the so called war on terror?
Final question for you. Do you think Saddam was related to al Queda and 911?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 no i just find u people funny....no u didnt say he was innocent..but u IMPLY he wasnt very much involved and shouldnt be a concern to authorities. Honestly....u people remind me of the morons they interviewed in Road To Tyranny....ut oh watch out for the near police state and the microchips that will be implanted into you while satellites track your every move and steal your brain waves so they can use them for a new video game called "pacman plus human"...but this will only be used as a front to hid the black invisible helicopters they have hidden at Area 51 and when the aliens come down they will claim all the credit for 9.11 and say they tricked us all to think it was a bunch of middle easterners living in tents when in fact it was E.T. and Drew Barrymore, who they abducted in 1983 and replaced her with a clone so they can infiltrate all of Hollywood into becoming liberals and making George Clooney there main spokesman. Did i miss anything?

It would've really sounded better had the abduction happened in 1984.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Welcome back Tiesto14,I guess you havent changed much,but hey Iam not surprised. How do you live your daily life I wonder?do you live in fear and think the terrorists are out to get you everywhere you go?Do you really believe in those stupid terror alerts that your government loves to use to get more public support in the so called war on terror? Final question for you. Do you think Saddam was related to al Queda and 911?

Yes i live in fear....as a matter of fact i live in a bomb shelter with my tin foil hat wearing a bullet proof jacket and a wet suit in case terrorists blow up a dam.......i also have a radar station in my shelter which tells me if any aircraft come near me so i can dive under my bunk gripping my helmet nice and tight.

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Originally posted by Shakka It would've really sounded better had the abduction happened in 1984.

lol oops...is that when ET came out...lol

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Originally posted by tiesto14 lol oops...is that when ET came out...lol

No, I think you were right with 1983. 1984 just carries so much more symbolic significance

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Originally posted by tiesto14 lol oops...is that when ET came out...lol

I would have thought it was a reference to the book 1984? Just a hunch like (oh for God's sake! a book is a collection of sheets of paper on with writing on them, people read them. They can contain fiction or non-fiction, altho the one's you are used to probably have more in the way of pictures)

George Smiley's World (cus i know he will bring the Jews in sooner or later)


Jews killed Christ for purposes of eradicating Christendom and establishing a Talmudic pan-Judaism. The plagues that ravaged Medieval Europe were the result of Jewish mass poisonings of Christians. As the Templars gained influence over the royalty to impose a radically egalitarian Golden Age, the Illuminati (in league with the Jacobins) instigated the French Revolution.

Freemasons established the B'nai B'rith in the U.S. as a pro-slavery spy ring to provide intelligence to the Confederacy before the Civil War, and were covertly associated with the collegiate honorarium Phi Beta Kappa (a spy organization).

A European bank cabal (headed by the Rothschilds and controlled by Jews) was responsible for the assassination of Abraham Lincoln in order to ensure control over the U.S. monetary supply, which in turn financed the Bolsheviks. That same cabal rigged Woodrow Wilson's election so that the Sixteenth Amendment would be enacted, establishing the Federal Reserve Board (controlled by Jews and the Internal Revenue Service acting as collection agency) which would urge the U.S. into World War I for purposes of repaying loans to Wall Street bankers.

After the Trilateral Commission caused the Great Depression, Jewish financiers promoted Hitler into power in order for Zionists to secure Palestine for the Jews. Churchill (a Jewish Rothschild puppet) then bribed Roosevelt (a Jewish Masonic puppet) into entering Word War II.

A 1947 UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico delivered into U.S. government hands extraterrestrials who established the Council on Foreign Relations with Jewish financial backing. (The aliens, it turns out, were Grey Martians, their existence proven by the photographs taken by the Viking satellite in 1976 which reveal the highlands face on Mars that houses hidden Martian bases.

NASA -- a division of the Zionist-controlled military-industrial complex -- has engaged in a full cover-up regarding the face's true nature.) Washington bureaucrats, in accord with the Freemason's drive to establish a one-world government, devised the Cold War in order to secure nationalistic power through taxation and the demise of states' rights.

Under the command of the Communist intelligensia, Eisenhower saw to it that the Boy Scouts, the PTA, the YMCA, the Salvation Army, and the Rotarians performed as Communist spy organizations. Fluoridated drinking water, the metric system, and the Beatles were all introduced to subvert the youth culture.

Both Malcolm X and Martin Luther King were assassinated with help from the U.S. government, and although it's claimed that Oswald shot Kennedy, he was actually a dupe diverting focus from the guilty accomplices (the Mafia, the CIA, revolutionary Cubans, the FBI, the U.S. military, Texas oil kingpins, and Lyndon Johnson) working in tandem.

Under orders from the World Trade Organization, Vietnam POWs are being held by the U.S., and Peru's Shining Path is a CIA-sponsored movement meant to destroy South American society. By paying Iranian mullahs to hold American hostages until after the 1980 election, the Council on Foreign Relations put Ronald Reagan in the White House. Then Reagan's CIA (with the help of Jews and the World Bank) distributed crack cocaine to urban neighborhoods (in order to fund the Nicaraguan Contras) and introduced the AIDS virus by injecting black babies.

The Ku Klux Klan manufactured and distributed Tropical Fantasy drinks and Kool cigarettes laced with chemicals intended to sterilize black Americans.

George H.W. Bush and Mikhail Gorbachev colluded to bring about the fall of Soviet communism (a ruse to goad the U.S. into dropping its guard) so that the former ruling communists (all Freemason Jews) could seize state property as their own. And for his participation in the 1991 Gulf War, Bush was personally compensated with a ton of Kuwaiti gold.

In 1996 the U.S. Navy shot down TWA Flight 800 over New York City. Now the United Nations are poised to take over the U.S. through domination of the world currency via the International Monetary Fund.

Using black FEMA helicopters to coordinate the invasion and oversee martial law, the UN-lead New Age World Socialist Government hegemony will dispose of blacks and red-blooded Christian Americans.

Your parents aren't REALLY your parents, they're actually Stepford automatons implanted to indoctrinate an appearance of normalcy amongst the populace; your real parents are contained in a Matrix-like apparatus, being cultivated by the Trilateral Commission as alternate energy sources, since all natural resources will deplete within the next ten years.

Oh, and let's not forget Elvis: he didn't really die, he actually faked his death so that he could anonymously prepare to rule the New World Order from his hidden installation on the moon.

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