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breakdowns ,build ups and rolls

Whats the best way to make breakdowns with snare rolls in reason
not necassarily the build up but the breakdown ,and rolls ,during an important transition.

Not doing snare-rolls at all is my advice ;D

But I guess, practice makes perfect?

Make a roll by just getting a lot of 16th notes, then finish it off with 32nd notes, then getting the pencil tool and making the velocity of those notes an upward slope. Or do an automation of the main volume. Whichever one you wanna do.

Stop with the goddamn templates; go with what fits the track the best. It may not even need a breakdown/huge buildup.

You gotta start somewhere chief. Calm down.

thanks guys ill give it a try ,but i agree with you RIPassion

all of my tracks dont need long full builds up and all this is for
more hard trance/progressive dream etc. im working on.

reversed cymbal and a crash makes a good drum roll

BE YOUR FREAKING SELF lol hah cant belive i just said that what most of the ppl here are going to say wether they say it nice or not is that dont try to follow the know style even if you are new. Try coming up with some that sounds cool like add a break beat right before your big buildup or etc those are the things that really set off a track.

The key to a good snare roll is moderation. In other words, try not to let it go on for too long. If you can, you should keep it down to one bar. In fact, at the very best, you don't need a snare roll at all.

But if you'd like a snare roll that bad, BobTheSlob gave a pretty good description. Note that the 32nd notes are optional. You can even skip some notes to give the roll more rhythm. Giving some notes a relatively higher velocity than the surrounding notes also can be used to create a rhythmic effect. I used to put the greatest accent on the beat and the second greatest on every and to give the roll something of a stronger 4/4 rhythm. At least I did that back when I did snare rolls.

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Originally posted by DJ-Igloo BE YOUR FREAKING SELF lol hah cant belive i just said that what most of the ppl here are going to say wether they say it nice or not is that dont try to follow the know style even if you are new. Try coming up with some that sounds cool like add a break beat right before your big buildup or etc those are the things that really set off a track.

yeah really...there is No diversity in trance anymore. its now being made with this extreme cookie cutter formula. just experiment. be yourself. find new ways to do things. i dont see why everyone is trying to sound like everyone else. what happened to goddamn self expression!?????
i know your a beginner (just an assumption because of this specific thread), but im talking about the majorities right now. and even so, YOU should be doing your own thing. you'll get further when you start putting out the music in you, man. i dont know if you say my post/closed thread in music discussion, people missinterpreted it. i moreso ment to say i was taking a break from music, then the people in the forum...i guess it didnt come off that way. anyway, i cant listen to music without taking severe influences. im not sure that happens to everyone. but i just think people are liking what they hear in music, and going for that specific sound. its GOOD to experiment, but i think following any kind of directions really can limit your music. after listening to alot of trance, of course it all sounds different and everything: melodies, techniques. but musically, its almost exactly the same. people arn't portraying there true musical selves any more. and ive come to the conclusion that it has had a massive (arguably) negative influence on the music. influence is good, but when your going by the same pattern that someone else is, or, in this sitation, a whole genre, change the fucking direction. if you like some synth or some beat, take influences from it, but do fucking bizzare shit. dont be afraid to take risks, thats partly what art is about. its so hard to actually call trance music an art anymore, since there ARE seemingly rules to creating it. all of it comes from practice, and learning how to create a nice breakdown, isnt going to feed your creativity. in the end, besides some possible technical skills, all you will have is your creativity. i advise you to let it grow. im not saying DONT make trance, im saying do your own thing. fuck, who says you need a breakdown anyway? its almost awkward saying "ive sure heard that before", because its SO common, and such a cliche, that it has become a norm in this music. fuck that. Fuck that.




ps. excuse the horrible spelling, and possible impulsive looking sentances. i think my point is clear, but feel free to ask/comment/reply/argue/whatever.

well wat if u like snare rolls
it may be cookie cutter but wat if u dont do it like everyone else does it, I had this cool snare roll in one of my tracks.
And about the having no breakdown isnt trance very break oriented
it would be progressive without a break

not really you can portray trance many ways the only trance tracks that really have breakdowns as most ppl think is Epic or Anthem Trance wich are basicly the same thing. Ive heard some awsome tracks from ppl that go straight to a percusive style drop in the track then bring everything back in then the lead its just really all about how far are you willing to push the boundries. As one of the books I have on djing/producing it says Dont try to reinvinte the wheel find ways to make it better.

sry about spelling im kinda plasterd now from my date.

well a lot of people would just call it techno then
i;ve had tracks where there wasnt any real breakdown and people didnt consider it trance

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Originally posted by DJ-Igloo not really you can portray trance many ways the only trance tracks that really have breakdowns as most ppl think is Epic or Anthem Trance wich are basicly the same thing. Ive heard some awsome tracks from ppl that go straight to a percusive style drop in the track then bring everything back in then the lead its just really all about how far are you willing to push the boundries. As one of the books I have on djing/producing it says Dont try to reinvinte the wheel find ways to make it better. sry about spelling im kinda plasterd now from my date.

spot on, mate.



i think that following formulas, structures, guidlines and templates, CAN be extremely limiting. But i also think, that it can really help a beginner find his/her way, learn new techniques and have the skill to progress and really find his/her style and such. but the negative effect it has, seems to have a much more impactful position in music. it suppresses what you really got inside ya, and i think that right there is partly resposible for all this run of the mill music. people follow the norms and acceptions of the music, there are not enough risks being taken. risks just arnt as accepted in the mainstream. just do what makes you happy, what you think sounds good, and what REALLY feeds your passion for music.

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Originally posted by DjGeMiNi529 well a lot of people would just call it techno then i;ve had tracks where there wasnt any real breakdown and people didnt consider it trance

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Originally posted by DjGeMiNi529 well wat if u like snare rolls it may be cookie cutter but wat if u dont do it like everyone else does it, I had this cool snare roll in one of my tracks. And about the having no breakdown isnt trance very break oriented it would be progressive without a break

see the effect catagorization has?

just more of these limits ive been speaking of.

well thats how some people think
i personally dont like following any guidelines, i like to mnake music that sounds good to me, but sometimes people dont exept that

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Originally posted by DjGeMiNi529 but sometimes people dont accept that

but does that really matter? to please others should NEVER be the goal of your music...

Not to say it is, but for some, it's just an unspoken mission. Even unknowingly.

its Taboo to think of pleasing others in this buisness trust me I tried to do the same so I could get signed to labels and be big and famous one day. Once I thru that out the window I found the World of possiblitys opeing up for me.

im not saying thats how i think im sayin thats how it is sometimes
i dont like following guidelines like i said
thats probpably why i dotn finish that much work lol
I have a SHITLOAD of unfinished shit

I made a simple snareroll for you. I used Reason version 2.5.

http://www.lnctv.com/~a41154a/samples/

The sounds is from the Factory Soundbank, but if you want you can always change them to your own sounds.

God, snare rolls arnt that bad. Process the shit out it and it doesnt even need to sound like a snare. Its cheesy piano riffs during breakdowns that you should stay the hell away from!!

Twisted just for the record i am doing my own thing my own style
i was not copying anyone ,just some tracks do need breakbeats

like psyc,goa,hard trance,ambient etc i think without

then again ive heard trance songs like in the Matrix or other movies with no breakbeats but more melodic and atmosphers.

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yeah really...there is No diversity in trance anymore. its now being made with this extreme cookie cutter formula. just experiment. be yourself. find new ways to do things. i dont see why everyone is trying to sound like everyone else. what happened to goddamn self expression!?????

one thing you guys are missing is genres is not the same thing as someone style ,you could be making a chillout track or an uplifting goa track and you may need a break beat in it at some point. so dont automatically think that ,if someone is using a snare roll and some sort of break beat that ,they are using some cookie cutter method on how to make trance tunes ...so a roll does not automatically mean
old school teckno like the kind you hear in the city at 3am!

so again it is art if you take a snare roll and put it into another type of trance that is art!

as long as you stick to originality



i do agree with you about a lot of people just using a method for all to make all of trance ,but im sure we are all guilty of that when we hear someone that influences us or gives us inspiration but we may want to emulate them or sound like them but in the end we have our own sound!

so far the best way i have found is to experiment alot with sound so i can get inspired, dont copy alot of other stuff just build it up to your perfection. you need to take time, dont try and complete it within the first week! it is not a race else it will show in your production, therefore you are limiting yourself?

today i was using the demo of reason 2.5 with rewire with cubase sx and geee u can do great stuff. i put the dr.rex out put in the input of the malstrom synth and you can come up with cool sound that will add them little effects you need to make it fill those gaps sometimes!

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