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Gay marriage in your country?

I hear this is popping up here and there, kinda lost track. I'm just interested what's the status of gay marriage in your country, either Forbidden, Working on it or Allowed.

Belgium: Allowed
France: Forbidden*
Croatia: Forbidden
United Kingdom: Forbidden*
Holland: Allowed
Denmark: Forbidden*
Australia: Forbidden
USA: Forbidden
Ontario (Canada): Allowed
Canada: Working on it
Sweden: Working on it (Adoption Allowed)
Ireland: Forbidden
Austria: Forbidden



*=some sort of partnership possible.


I do mean 100% marriage, except the right to adopt children.
For remarks: see replies.

in france gay marriage is not allowed but a mayor from a town next where i live at celebrated few months ago an union between 2 guys but there is an appeal to cancel it since it's forbidden
instead we have a civil union called the PACS and which allow people of the same sexe to be united
i think it's a good alternative to marriage and futhermore it gives about the same advantages than being married notably for the property

There's no mention at all of it here in the law..and nobody really cares.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 There's no mention at all of it here in the law..and nobody really cares.

I bet some gays care...
So I take it it's not allowed.
If nobody has a problem with that, I'll round up the essential in the first post.

I dunno what the law is. They can't get married but maybe a "civil partnership" I don't think they should get the same tax breaks as families because they get them to provide the next generation. Also I could just say I'm a homo and my mate who I'm living with is a homo so we get tax breaks. Not cool.

In Denmark gays can be joined in a civil union (JICU), which - once achieved - is equivalent to a marriage. The difference is that there's some restrictions on who can get JICU, which are not there for standard heterosexual marriage: First, you cannot be JICU at a danish embassy abroad, and second, to be JICU in Denmark at least one of the parties needs to have been living there for more than two years. I guess that these rules are in place to prevent "marriage-tourism".
Wrt. the church, the individual ministers decide for themselves whether they will bless a civil union between gays.

Gay marriage was banned here late last year.

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Originally posted by Dervish I dunno what the law is. They can't get married but maybe a "civil partnership" I don't think they should get the same tax breaks as families because they get them to provide the next generation. Also I could just say I'm a homo and my mate who I'm living with is a homo so we get tax breaks. Not cool.

I read that as "could I just say..."

how about it?

Texas: Forbidden

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Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai I bet some gays care... So I take it it's not allowed. If nobody has a problem with that, I'll round up the essential in the first post.

Well, I dunno, if some gays got married here, I bet that the next day a bunch of skinheads would go beat them up and demolish their house...But yeah, although it's not explicitely banned, it is not mentioned as an option when getting married either.

Hehe, you know, if that civil union tax break thing actually took place, I'm certain that a whole number of single straight people would suddenly become gay

Ontario = Legal
Canada = Soon legal
Sweden = Soon legal (adoption is already)

Oops, sorry. Just noticed this:

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Originally posted by Dervish Also I could just say I'm a homo and my mate who I'm living with is a homo so we get tax breaks. Not cool.

This seems to be a popular "argument" against gay marriage, but let me ask you: what's stopping you from doing exactly the same thing with a female friend right now?

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Originally posted by Renegade This seems to be a popular "argument" against gay marriage, but let me ask you: what's stopping you from doing exactly the same thing with a female friend right now?

exactly, and its not like living together is enough, but you have to be married / be in a union, which is not just something you do to get tax breaks!

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Originally posted by Renegade Oops, sorry. Just noticed this: This seems to be a popular "argument" against gay marriage, but let me ask you: what's stopping you from doing exactly the same thing with a female friend right now?

Well, yes, that is true, but still..with a female friend u usually have at least some chance of getting offspring.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, yes, that is true, but still..with a female friend u usually have at least some chance of getting offspring.

But not always. Gay couples can also adopt. I don't see any law preventing infertile couples from adopting, so that argument pretty much falls apart.

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Originally posted by Renegade This seems to be a popular "argument" against gay marriage, but let me ask you: what's stopping you from doing exactly the same thing with a female friend right now?

Well yeah, but the point is that the tax breaks are for having (or the potential of) kids not because you are living with your partner.

Plus I'd recon it would be much more likly to be living with a male mate than a female. Same for women too, but the first point is the real reason.

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Originally posted by Dervish Well yeah, but the point is that the tax breaks are for having (or the potential of) kids not because you are living with your partner.

why dont you get tax break for having children then instead?! that really doesnt make sense...

You do here (child tax credits), you even get money can't remember what it is of the top of my head. Wrt marriage I think it's more the potential of having kids. Because of failing population and so on.

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Couples A couple is: � a man or a woman who are married and living together, or � a man and a woman living together as if they are married. Note: 1. Couples must make a joint claim for tax credits. You must both fill in the claim form and are jointly responsible for the information provided. 2. If you are part of a couple you cannot claim for tax credits as a single person.

but

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Child Tax Credit is for people who are responsible for at least one child or qualifying young person. Child Tax Credit is paid direct to the person who is mainly responsible for caring for the child or children. If you are a lone parent you will receive the payment. Child Tax Credit can be paid to workers who continue to pay UK National Insurance Contributions when posted from the UK to work in another country in the European Economic Area.

So if you were a gay couple and looking after a kid you'd still get money (but since you can't independantly make new kids you don't get the benifits of hetro couples).

Supose it is kinda weird though cos all it takes for a les couple to have kid is a cup of seaman and a turkey baster and for gay guys a surrogate mother. But I supose they would still get the credits for that.

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Originally posted by Dervish You do here (child tax credits), you even get money can't remember what it is of the top of my head. Wrt marriage I think it's more the potential of having kids. Because of failing population and so on.

doesnt make sense to me... either you give the tax breaks to ppl that have children, or you give it to all "serious" couples? what about a hetro marriage otherwise that doesnt get children, would they be obligated to repay their money then?

Ireland = Forbidden

But talk of giving same sex couples certain rights which they now do not have, but marraige not likely in the foreseeable future.

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Originally posted by zig Ireland = Forbidden But talk of giving same sex couples certain rights which they now do not have, but marraige not likely in the foreseeable future.

Thats cos only until very recently Ireland used to be a theocracy!

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Originally posted by Renegade Oops, sorry. Just noticed this: This seems to be a popular "argument" against gay marriage, but let me ask you: what's stopping you from doing exactly the same thing with a female friend right now?

My mate let it slip down the dole office that he was livin with his girlfriend so they stopped his job seekers allowance as they classed his girlfriend as a depenant! So thats whats stoppin people doin it now!!!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Thats cos only until very recently Ireland used to be a theocracy!

It still is to a lot of people, recently, about a year ago i brought this subject up with a group of my friends, all male, and the level of intolerence was a bit scarey, and then i brought up the subject of adoption by gay men (just to stir it up a bit more ) and then it got totally out of hand, most of them were outraged at the idea......so yeah i cant see it happening here anytime soon, and these were people i would consider to be pretty layed back about most things.......except this.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew doesnt make sense to me... either you give the tax breaks to ppl that have children, or you give it to all "serious" couples? what about a hetro marriage otherwise that doesnt get children, would they be obligated to repay their money then?

Dunno, maybe there is going to be a transistion form rewarding marriage to rewarding (supporting?) kids. And not giving married people any extra. But I doubt it'll do the birth rate any good.

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