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Ok. With all this n00b flaming as of late, I have to ask a question to the "non-n00bs" IE. fastmp3, Krinker, Malek, etc....WHAT is it exactly you have against all forms of trance music? And I mean other than the obvious...the idiotic EX-freaks making fools of themselves, the cheesy dreamy meaningless vocals, the boring ass AVB style non-driving beats. I hate these things too...but I still like trance. Because yes, these things are a large part of trance, and a shitty part of trance. But people like Christopher Lawrence, Chris Liebing, Blank and Jones, Ferry Corsten and dare I say it...even non-cheesy Tiesto is good!

So what exactly makes you guys such House-heads and such haters of trance?

Before everyone gets into flaming mode, let's try our best to have a civilized conversation. Because I really do want to understand your point of view, just to satisfy my own personal curiosity if nothing else....

i don't hate trance, i'm listening to ISO4 at this moment.

I just hate all this n00bism surrounding it, the close minded people who listen to it (same could be said to house heads), the TIESTO #1 FOREVER crap, the PLUR, the Rave and other idiotic terms.

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Originally posted by malek i don't hate trance, i'm listening to ISO4 at this moment. I just hate all this n00bism surrounding it, the close minded people who listen to it (same could be said to house heads), the TIESTO #1 FOREVER crap, the PLUR, the Rave and other idiotic terms.

God I hate the Tiesto > All and Tiesto #1 *sigh*

I guess I;m a noob so i shouldn't post but wtvr. One thing is I like all those djs you just listed. However, the djs I listen to on a day to day basis are are not big djs like those. I love stuff like corentin emprou, dj metatron....lots of "amateur" djs. I like more trance and ambient music, and acid jazz type stuff. However when it comes to dancing to at an afterhours or wtvr, I like those big names, big beats, and anthemic vocals. If thats makes me a noob than thats fine, I just think people are thinking if someone enjoys some mainstream trance they're a noob. Alot of stuff I listen to the "veteren ta's" may not of even heard of.
God I;m tired no doubt non of this made sense.

n00b isn't a bad thing anyway, we all started like that. Its better than being a punk or a thug

its the first step in your Electronic Dance Music studies and enjoyment.

Is there such thing as "mainstream" trance? I mean, sure there are the Top 100 DJ's, but that doesn't make them mainstream does it?

I have a lot more to say, but I want to read some more replies to this first.

and just because someone's a noob to the site doesn't mean they are a noob to the scene.

You know what i think it is LiGHT?

When i started off with the edm style, it was with a VA compil, Trance Voices Vol 8. Now THAT was real cheese, scooter, dj sammy, luna, vengaboys, and all other cheese, which was GREAT cheese to my ears.

Thats when i told myself "techno is good".

Then along came some rank 1 i believe and this site, and i found out i liked trance.

Now, style and tastes progress, i cant listen to Scooter the same way as i did summer of '03 when Maria (I Like it Loud!) was a popular hit, instead now i just put on some Jose Amnesia and just chill.

These guys have no doubt listened to this stuff for years and years, so tastes progress. Im positive though that they still have an Aqua or Mc Mario Mixdown (94? 95?) cd in their cars on some days:P

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Originally posted by JinX_33 Is there such thing as "mainstream" trance? I mean, sure there are the Top 100 DJ's, but that doesn't make them mainstream does it? I have a lot more to say, but I want to read some more replies to this first. and just because someone's a noob to the site doesn't mean they are a noob to the scene.

"Mainstream" or cheese... same thing I think... its made for the masses I find.... thats my opinion on part of what u said.

The top 100 djs arent really mainstream other then certain key ones... Tiesto.... Ferry.... Deep Dish... DJ Sammy.... Milk Inc.... (because i heard them on the shittest radio station) here in Montreal (95.9).... Deep Dish doesnt have alot of tunes... yet Ferry does... and they chose to air Rock Your Body Rock.... Motorcycle somewhat mainstream.... because of the hype they got from ATRC

I guess I'm a noob to electronic DANCE music. Only been into it for a little over a year now. However electronic music is what I've been into ever since I got into music, with some other stuff on the side. Including a new thing for classical music.

I'd add Oakenfold to the list of mainstreamers.

would it not be made for the masses because... the masses LIKE it? I mean, like I said, I've got a HUGE range (though I am a sucker for vocal and hardstyle, but even they are at different ends of the spectrum), but what is so wrong with Rock Your Body Rock? Due to the fact that trance is NOT mainstream, the Top 100 guys are the only thing many ppl know of. At least it's getting more exposure than it use to.

I feel as though I am defending my friends here, lol. The poor girls LOVE trance, cheese and non-cheese, but how many chicks do you know who go out of their way to find music?

ps: SWIRL WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

p.s. I've been listening to this stuff since 91 i think.

what was big in this scene in the early 90s?

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Originally posted by gd_nimrod You know what i think it is LiGHT? When i started off with the edm style, it was with a VA compil, Trance Voices Vol 8. Now THAT was real cheese, scooter, dj sammy, luna, vengaboys, and all other cheese, which was GREAT cheese to my ears. Thats when i told myself "techno is good". Then along came some rank 1 i believe and this site, and i found out i liked trance. Now, style and tastes progress, i cant listen to Scooter the same way as i did summer of '03 when Maria (I Like it Loud!) was a popular hit, instead now i just put on some Jose Amnesia and just chill. These guys have no doubt listened to this stuff for years and years, so tastes progress. Im positive though that they still have an Aqua or Mc Mario Mixdown (94? 95?) cd in their cars on some days:P

I agree with you nimrod. Because even in the limited time I've had being in love with EDM, I've had the same sort of progression. I can definately relate to the whole Scooter idea...lol. I used to think Maria was quality techno...now I can't stand Scooter at alll! I suppose we all progress, our tastes change to different things for different reasons. I think every time I go to another EDM event my taste changes.

But for the life of me, I still can't understand how people get off so hard on house music...Maybe I haven't progressed to that "level" yet, but I must admit I haven't heard much house music that I've liked. I'd take Ferry Corsten over Desyn Masiello any day.

Light, good question. First off, let me say that when we're bashing noobs, we're doing it lightheartedly and not in any malicious or nefarious way. To be quite honest, we all started off as noobs, and we all listened to the type of music you mentioned (though Chris Liebing does NOT belong with the rest of those - he's hardcore techno, not trance), so keep that in mind.

Personally, if I don't count my little forays into Sash! style EDM way back in 95 through 98, I can officially say I got into the scene in '99 when I was in Holland. Many say that was THE year for trance, and I agree. Back then, the epic/melodic sound was fresh, the creativity was high, great DJs were coming out with new styles as of yet unheard of. I still listen to all the classics from that year and the year before and after (For an Angel, Greece 2000, Cafe del Mar, Binary Finary's '99 and so on), so I do enjoy that music. However, the MAJOR problem with epic/melodic trance (which is the style you're referring to) is that the sound hasn't evolved since then. It's exactly the same as it was 6-7 years ago. Every track has the same structure, with the same elements incorporated into it. The same synths, the same breakdown/build-up, the same vocals and so forth. Take any epic/melodic track today and listen to some 98-99 stuff, and tell me it's not exactly the same. So, for the "veterans" that have heard this stuff for 2-3 years, it gets old and boring and very un-exciting. Thus the noob comments.

Having said the above, I still listen to a lot of progressive trance. Think (old) Sasha/Digweed style. The Xpander EP (Xpander, Baja, RabbitWeed, Fundamental) is still in my opinion one of the finest pieces of EDM I've ever heard. That style can never get boring because by definition, it progresses into a new sound constantly and continuously evolves, and thus gives the artist much more room for creativity and flair. Some of James Holden's tracks (old and new) come to mind, and I guarantee you no one will call them cheese despite the fact they're classified as "trance".

At any rate, I gurantee you a couple of years from now, when you've had your fill of the above type of trance music and explored other genres, your taste will also evolve into something else (perhaps House, techno or what have you) like it has with most of us, and you'll look back at this and laugh, and take pleasure in bashing the up and coming noobs that OMG at the latest cheese

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Originally posted by JinX_33 what was big in this scene in the early 90s?

I don't know, I wasn't in the scene per se.

I was listening to anything showing on those midnight shows on musique plus or much music, with edm video.

listening to the radio, then the internet came along... then MP3

woaaah !!!

I was leeching with my 14.4K everything i could get my hands on

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Originally posted by Epicurus Light, good question. First off, let me say that when we're bashing noobs, we're doing it lightheartedly and not in any malicious or nefarious way. To be quite honest, we all started off as noobs, and we all listened to the type of music you mentioned (though Chris Liebing does NOT belong with the rest of those - he's hardcore techno, not trance), so keep that in mind. Personally, if I don't count my little forays into Sash! style EDM way back in 95 through 98, I can officially say I got into the scene in '99 when I was in Holland. Many say that was THE year for trance, and I agree. Back then, the epic/melodic sound was fresh, the creativity was high, great DJs were coming out with new styles as of yet unheard of. I still listen to all the classics from that year and the year before and after (For an Angel, Greece 2000, Cafe del Mar, Binary Finary's '99 and so on), so I do enjoy that music. However, the MAJOR problem with epic/melodic trance (which is the style you're referring to) is that the sound hasn't evolved since then. It's exactly the same as it was 6-7 years ago. Every track has the same structure, with the same elements incorporated into it. The same synths, the same breakdown/build-up, the same vocals and so forth. Take any epic/melodic track today and listen to some 98-99 stuff, and tell me it's not exactly the same. So, for the "veterans" that have heard this stuff for 2-3 years, it gets old and boring and very un-exciting. Thus the noob comments. Having said the above, I still listen to a lot of progressive trance. Think (old) Sasha/Digweed style. The Xpander EP (Xpander, Baja, RabbitWeed, Fundamental) is still in my opinion one of the finest pieces of EDM I've ever heard. That style can never get boring because by definition, it progresses into a new sound constantly and continuously evolves, and thus gives the artist much more room for creativity and flair. Some of James Holden's tracks (old and new) come to mind, and I guarantee you no one will call them cheese despite the fact they're classified as "trance". At any rate, I gurantee you a couple of years from now, when you've had your fill of the above type of trance music and explored other genres, your taste will also evolve into something else (perhaps House, techno or what have you) like it has with most of us, and you'll look back at this and laugh, and take pleasure in bashing the up and coming noobs that OMG at the latest cheese

That's a pretty good explanation Epi, I thank you for it. You're right, I guess for you veterans of the scene the old sound has just gotten too bloody repetitive. It's true, all these songs go by the same "formula" so to speak, but I guess it still works for me! But I can already see distance forming between the EDM I started with, and where I am now. I fell in love with trance because of Tiesto, I'll admit it! But his tracks are sounding stupider and stupider to me by the day. I guess the amount of cheese you can enjoy just depends how long you've been listening to EDM...lol.

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Originally posted by LiGHT78 That's a pretty good explanation Epi, I thank you for it. You're right, I guess for you veterans of the scene the old sound has just gotten too bloody repetitive. It's true, all these songs go by the same "formula" so to speak, but I guess it still works for me! But I can already see distance forming between the EDM I started with, and where I am now. I fell in love with trance because of Tiesto, I'll admit it! But his tracks are sounding stupider and stupider to me by the day. I guess the amount of cheese you can enjoy just depends how long you've been listening to EDM...lol.

Here's another thing you'll probably start appreciating with time: what I call the "richness" of the track. If you ever get into production, or even have an understanding about how tracks are produced, the first thing you'll notice about a track is how many layers of music are superimposed over one another (thus the richness of the sound). What I qualify as cheese is that type of music that, using the above definition, is poor - few layers. Of course, other things count as well, such as the amount of looping in the track and so forth, but that to me is the main criterion I use to distinguish between cheese and non-cheese.

Sasha, in my opinion, is the master of making simultaneously beautiful (to the ear) and rich music. Try listening to Xpander for instance and identifying the different layers. Almost impossible. As opposed to scooter for instance, with is low-quality cheese, where you have some sort of crappy bassline, dumb synths popping up from time to time and crappy vocals on top. No comparison.

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Originally posted by Epicurus I still listen to all the classics from that year and the year before and after (For an Angel, Greece 2000, Cafe del Mar, Binary Finary's '99 and so on), so I do enjoy that music. However, the MAJOR problem with epic/melodic trance (which is the style you're referring to) is that the sound hasn't evolved since then. It's exactly the same as it was 6-7 years ago. Every track has the same structure, with the same elements incorporated into it. The same synths, the same breakdown/build-up, the same vocals and so forth. Take any epic/melodic track today and listen to some 98-99 stuff, and tell me it's not exactly the same. So, for the "veterans" that have heard this stuff for 2-3 years, it gets old and boring and very un-exciting. Thus the noob comments.

Am not bored of it and been listening to it for a good 6-7 years now

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Originally posted by Blinckme Am not bored of it and been listening to it for a good 6-7 years now

Well that obviously says something about your current state of evolvment

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Originally posted by Epicurus Well that obviously says something about your current state of evolvment

explain plz ?

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Originally posted by Blinckme explain plz ?

Some of us progress, some of us don't. Some of us move forward, some of us don't. Some of us evolve, some of us don't. You get the picture

u saw me at dj Dan was i into it or not?
u saw at the bal was i into it or not ?

Epicurus
you know lebanese and evolvment haven't been friendly in the last 30years

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Originally posted by ZinG Epicurus you know lebanese and evolvment haven't been friendly in the last 30years

also ask mazen was with him at darren kay and preach !!!

and made him eat lebanese junk

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