TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- DJ Booth
-- "night club" at the house
Pages (2): [1] 2 »

"night club" at the house

hello everyone... I am finally going to do what a true 'DJ addict' does... I am going to build a custom DJ console and turn the 500 square foot room into some sort of a 'club' type setup... it has a hardwood floor which is perfect for dancing

ive got an idea of what i am going to do with the console, but here is where i am hoping to get the input of my knowledgable TA friends.... the speaker setup...

I live on 6 acres and so do my neighbors... so the louder the better... but in such a confined space... i suppose I can only do so much

I would like to have a setup that i can practice with by myself but also one that can rock the house when people come to party


price is kind of an issue but only to an certain extent

right now i am thinking

2 PA type speakers (with 15" subs in them)
2 powered monitors
1 amp


the specs I can't really list with my limited knowledge

so any input from you guys would be great

thanks

4 Mackie SRM-450s and you should be MORE than good to go. consider a sub if you want the low end punch, but i wouldn't think it to be necessary. of course, this is not much of a budget deal, but i am just in love with those things, hehe. also eliminates the need for an amp altogether.

I just got a pair of Peavey PR15 speakers, they're inexpensive, $200 each, & good but designed for a bigger place than a basement club room. Have a tweeter and 15" woofer. They sound best if running pretty loud, and if listeners are at least 20 feet away (sound a little harsh close-in). Need an amplifier such as a Samson S1000 which is about $400. This setup would sound good outside and have enough volume. So your total cost about $600 US plus some stands or wall brackets for the speakers. Then there's your monitors which are more $, these should probably be good quality since you'd be practicing on these a lot and maybe just use the main speakers when a party is on.

You might get better sound quality from a big set of home speakers if you are in a space that is not very big such as your 500 s.f. room. Home speakers & subwoofers have a more "mellow" sound but dont work very well to project the sound very far.

any pics we could see so we could get a better idea?

ill see if i get my friend's digi for pics

but for now its about 500 sq feet.... a square room (possibly rectanglar)

i'm going to put the dj booth in the corner

will probably start building my console in the next few weeks

i am debating what to do with the cdj 1000's.... im thinking of the best way to have them elevated and tilted... also debating whether to make my TT's flush. i plan on upgrading my mixer so it will look weird with an unflush mixer and flush TT's


so many things...

i personally enjoy elevated cdjs above each turntable maybe at an angle and a mixer on an angle is always awesome,

flush tables are awesome as well


edit: i reccomend some sort of sound proofing as well, most clubs have sound in mind at at least one point in the design process. the architect of your house did not. if ur serious about this, id hire a sound guy for an hour to come over and tell you what u need to maximize the sound potential

edit #2: flush cdjs with an opening at the front are amazing as well. i love flushness.

check out

http://www.dualsf.com

quote:

Originally posted by Inertia 4 Mackie SRM-450s and you should be MORE than good to go. consider a sub if you want the low end punch, but i wouldn't think it to be necessary. of course, this is not much of a budget deal, but i am just in love with those things, hehe. also eliminates the need for an amp altogether.

Can't go wrong with the Mackie's what so ever but like Inertia said, that certainly isn't a budget deal. 500 sq. ft. isn't all that big to start with so you won't need anything crazy. Good luck and let us see how it turns out.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=%22basement%22

check that thread i made awhile back.

quote:

Originally posted by fr3sh i'm going to put the dj booth in the corner

I probably wouldn't put it in the corner, I'd put it in the middle of one of the sides of the room. So that you hear the PAs more accurately.

Just my opinion though

quote:

Originally posted by IntegraR0064 I probably wouldn't put it in the corner, I'd put it in the middle of one of the sides of the room. So that you hear the PAs more accurately. Just my opinion though

I was thinking of having active monitors right on the dj console at my ear level

quote:

Originally posted by fr3sh I was thinking of having active monitors right on the dj console at my ear level

Right...but you usually hear the PA too. It sort of depends on how your speakers are set up. You probably could turn up the monitors and ignore the little bit you hear from the PA if you like, but I like turning the monitors a little lower and listening to the PA as well as the monitors.

So yeah, I guess you're right. All comes down to personal preference.

in a small room, with loud speakers, a monitor won't be imperative, trust me. when i throw parties at my terrace, which opens up to a huge back yard, only using 2-3 decent PAs, i turn the monitor to the crowd (thank god it's on a pedestal) because my other friends crank it up real high, and if i can mix without it, it's only fucking with my ears. many people seem to think that in order for a soundsystem to be efficient, everyone's ears have to bleed.

the whole 'monitor' deal only serves for when sound is getting lost, has a delay, or an echo when it gets to you, causing your mixing to be off. the monitor is a clear source of audio placed near you to banish these evil effects.

what i recommend, is positiong the DJ booth and one of the speakers meant for the dancefloor in a way that the speaker reaches the crowd perfectly, and doubles as a monitor. you can squeeze out more use of your sound this way, and hopefully save a buck or two.

my recommendation tho: if it's a small room, or, 'small' for the amount of sound you've put in it, try mixing without a loud audio source near you. or get a really small speaker and have it play near you. if you can, do it that way. a lot better for your ears. (unless of course you're cranking up the headphones all the way, which is just as bad, if not worse...)

haha... yeah right now i have a relatively loud home theater system. and i swear it lags a little bit because in order for my mix to be 'perfect' the beats need to sound like they are a fraction of a second ahead of the beats in the speakers

i think that with some active monitors in my relatively small dj area that should do the trick


so do you any of you guys have a link to an exact product that you highly recommend?

I dunno I wouldn't suggest using your home theatre speakers as your pa speakers just not a good idea simply because they aren't meant to be pushed hard and for long periods of time.

I"m really confused about monitors...


how are they different to subs???

can someone explain how they work and what they do for me/?/?

Abhay, this is really basic stuff....... Monitors are "speakers" that you use to listen to the mix (in this case in the booth) and subs are just for putting out bass and generally are used for PA set ups although some studio monitoring set ups do also use separate subs.

Fr3sh make sure you either make the booth so solid that it cant shake (i.e.concrete) or have the decks on sprung sufaces otherwise any munter too near the Booth doing their Taz' impression will result in grade A needle jumpage.

Mackie speakers SRM450's may pump out decent levels but they sound so sharp and mechanical and I often find they lack atmosphere when used on their own. Home theatre systems will have some lag because they (+ amps) are not designed for monitoring and often have built in eq's for 5.1 which takes a fraction of a second to process the audio.
if you want some decent cheap monitors go for Tannoy reveals or JBL control 5's or samson resolve 65/80's or similar. For booth monitoring you dont want to spend too much and you'll need em to be tough.

quote:

Originally posted by DJ RANN Fr3sh make sure you either make the booth so solid that it cant shake (i.e.concrete) or have the decks on sprung sufaces otherwise any munter too near the Booth doing their Taz' impression will result in grade A needle jumpage.

Can you actually make a booth out of concrete?? How in the world would you work with it?

what do you mean how would you work with it?

quote:

Originally posted by Psiweaver what do you mean how would you work with it?

Dunno, maybe I just know nothing about concrete (which is true).

Like, with wood....you'd cut it into pieces, then screw those pieces together.

I'm assuming you wouldn't buy a concrete slab, cut it, and screw the pieces together, right? You would have to like, have a mold of a dj table or something and pour the concrete in...or something.

Basically, if you were going to make a dj table out of concrete, how would you do it, compared to doing it with wood.

i plan on using wood even though it is obviuosly less solid than concrete... and i am glad to hear that a home audio system (that i am currently using) is not the right setup... because like i said... in order for the mix to be on point it needs to sound just a slight beat ahead of the "monitor" beats

so once i get a real dj setup, my mixing should be more "normal"

back to the dj booth.... i am wondering what kind of material i should use over the wood.. i was thinking some variety of shiny black laminate

You could use concrete block, and fill the empty space with mortar. Kind of permanent for a home installation though!

well, you can probably paint over it after it's done or whatever.

cool idea: think of maybe having a wheel setup, so you could move your booth around if need be. you'd need a brake system so you could set it in place, and make sure it's sturdy as hell.

I reckon the concrete option is overkill but......You could make the deck stand/table out of concrete but the whole booth (walls and all) is a constructors job.
To make a solid platform from concrete you put the metal core in place (in to holes in the floor) then you make a frame from wood around these and pour the concrete in but you would have to do it in sections.

I would just make it out of MDF and reinforce the frame with timber then put some ballast in the base (like records...). That way if you do get vibrations or skipping needles you can always modify it and spring the decks. You can also put locking castors (wheels) on the base too!
You can then do any form of finish you want to MDF.

I would:

a) put a single 18" heavy duty (4" voice coil, 600+w handling) sub in the back center of the room
b) put a 12" + 1" 2-way PA in each corner.. four total.
c) connect both speakers on each side to the same channel.. so you can run the four mains off one stereo amp
d) connect the sub to a big amp running in bridged mode
e) install a quality crossover to handle the sub/main frequency bands

The reason for the 12" mains and a sub:
you get alot more volume off a main speaker if it doesnt have to deal with the bass. you also get alot cleaner midrange since the main speaker's woofer isnt dealing with the bass. and you get alot more bass because a sub is optimized to produce quality bass. 12" woofers also have notable cleaner midrange than 15" woofers.

personally, I'd stick a yorkville ex350 in each corner, and a yorkville elite 18" sub (maybe an sw800?) to handle the bass. a DBX223 crossover would work out really nice, and some ab international or crown ampliers would rock those speakers good. I recommend the DBX223 because its not only a good xover, but it has a built in 40hz high pass filter that protects your subs from low freq damage, and also helps them run more effficiently and prevents low frequency "boom" from the subs which complicates mixing in a small environment.

i'd buy everything used.

I recommend the yorkville gear because its a great value - really hard to beat for the money... especially on the used market!

mackie SRMs are nice, but they are very expensive. they are also powered which greatly reduces thier flexibility and complicates cabling. they do sound nice, however!

wow thanks for the reply it seems like you really know what you are talking about!!!!

so have an amp is the best way to go then as opposed to powered speakers?

Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.