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FRANCE the first country to reject the EU Constitution

so i guess u all seen the results of the referendum
30% of abstention rate and more than 55% of the french voted no and 45% voted yes
chirac decided to give a new impulsion to france
52% of the french rejected the constitution for social and economics reasons
40% judging the constitution too liberal
so im disappointed by the results but it wouldn't suprise me if netherlands would vote no next wednesday too

ps : i got problems with my internet cable so i can't connect at home don't be surprised if i don't reply soon!

It's a damn shame.

They said NON for things that had nothing to do with the constitution.

Not that I'm saying that this has anything to do with the Front National but with the mess there was in the last election I'm not amazed it happened again.

France digging it's own grave. Yay! It's fun!

Re: FRANCE the first country to reject the EU Constitution

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Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l 52% of the french rejected the constitution for social and economics reasons 40% judging the constitution too liberal

Soooooooooo ironic.

The French rejection of the EU Constitution is very similar to the French withdrawl from NATO's military structure.

France won't stay in an organization they can't dominate.

So exactly what were the perameters set up by this constitution. There's a lack of coverage here in the states so does someone have a link to this proposed consitution?

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Originally posted by Krysta_101 So exactly what were the perameters set up by this constitution. There's a lack of coverage here in the states so does someone have a link to this proposed consitution?

http://europa.eu.int/constitution/en/lstoc1_en.htm


It's not a "Constitution" as such... legally speaking, it's a treaty.




If you want to compare the EU Charter of Rights to the US Bill of Rights, consider this:

The Charter is a granting of rights by the government, i.e. it's top down. The Bill of Rights recognizes that legitimate government derives solely from the consent of the governed.

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Originally posted by Krysta_101 So exactly what were the perameters set up by this constitution. There's a lack of coverage here in the states so does someone have a link to this proposed consitution?

here is some easier read:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2950276.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3825521.stm

Re: FRANCE the first country to reject the EU Constitution

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Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l so i guess u all seen the results of the referendum 30% of abstention rate and more than 55% of the french voted no and 45% voted yes chirac decided to give a new impulsion to france 52% of the french rejected the constitution for social and economics reasons 40% judging the constitution too liberal so im disappointed by the results but it wouldn't suprise me if netherlands would vote no next wednesday too ps : i got problems with my internet cable so i can't connect at home don't be surprised if i don't reply soon!

Public opinion changes when there is a manufactured threat. Given the right situation, the people will change their minds.

I just hope I am very, very wrong.

it's seems very much like the US Constitution, but maybe worse (or at least with some of the bad ideas that are causing us some problems). It's no wonder they're rejecting it. I don't blame them.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag it's seems very much like the US Constitution, but maybe worse (or at least with some of the bad ideas that are causing us some problems). It's no wonder they're rejecting it. I don't blame them.

care to elaborate?? I'm still a little behind on this issue

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Originally posted by Dupz care to elaborate?? I'm still a little behind on this issue

if it was exactly like our Constitution, it wouldn't be so bad, but the EU version has the social programs like social security, public education, etc spelled out in it (those things are NOT in the US Constitution, and may even be technically against it since those go against the 10th amendment).

Social programs = socialism, IMHO.

There seem to be alot of generalizations that could be left open to definition in the corresponding EU Law books. That would scare the crap outta me for voting for this if I lived in Europe.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag if it was exactly like our Constitution, it wouldn't be so bad, but the EU version has the social programs like social security, public education, etc spelled out in it (those things are NOT in the US Constitution, and may even be technically against it since those go against the 10th amendment). Social programs = socialism, IMHO. There seem to be alot of generalizations that could be left open to definition in the corresponding EU Law books. That would scare the crap outta me for voting for this if I lived in Europe.

The EU Constitution isn't a constitution! Its a treaty, exactly the same in nature as every other treaty we've had so far, so of course it has everything spelled out. The EU is not a state, it is a collection of states that have decided it is in their best interests to have shared regulations (similar to NATO, and you wouldn't assume NATO is a state would you?)

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Originally posted by George Smiley The EU Constitution isn't a constitution! Its a treaty, exactly the same in nature as every other treaty we've had so far, so of course it has everything spelled out. The EU is not a state, it is a collection of states that have decided it is in their best interests to have shared regulations (similar to NATO, and you wouldn't assume NATO is a state would you?)

I'll admit that I only glanced at it, mostly section II, but it sure sounds like a bit more than just a treaty.

The US was supposed to be somewhat similar to how this sounds, with a small limited federal government (for the people, by the people), and the States would be reserved to have all the power not spelled out in the Constitution. Anyone living here knows that this is definitely NOT the case today (nor has it been for quite some time, maybe 100 years)

Leave it to the liberal French to screw things up in Europe.
Doesn't really surprise me...


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Originally posted by smokeape Leave it to the liberal French to screw things up in Europe.

That comment is very ironic considering the reasons why they voted "no"...

And btw. I really must applaud the French for doing this:

Why did this have to happen while I'm in the US?

And thursday things will go from bad to worse, when the Dutch joins the fun.

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