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Posted by Zer0nium on May-31-2005 08:56:

Backwards vinyl....?

Was thinking of an idea.... does anyone know or has seen a backwards vinyl? Meaning the track would start playing from the center and the needle would move outwards. It seems fesible on paper... but does it actually exist?

Posted by basd on May-31-2005 09:16:

Yes, they do exist. There are quite a few techno releases which have been pressed that way. Have had some of them in my hands in the recordstore, never bought any though (just because I didn't like the music, not because of the way it had been pressed).

Posted by jdat on May-31-2005 11:31:

Technically speaking the process would be no different then regular pressing ? ( the sounds would be pressed in reverse )

That would involve playing the record backwards.

Now something silly would be burning so you play it forward from the center and it goes outwards. It would be quite confusing. Wait is that possible?

Posted by Simcut on May-31-2005 11:52:

I have a record by Miro that one side plays from the outside inwards (as normal vinyl does) and when I flip it over it plays from the inside outwards! crazy

Posted by basd on May-31-2005 12:34:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
Now something silly would be burning so you play it forward from the center and it goes outwards. It would be quite confusing. Wait is that possible?

That's what I meant. The TT spins in the same direction, but the needle goes outward from the center. It's just a matter of the groove on the record being applied in the exact opposite direction.

So, to answer your question, yes, it is possible.

Posted by jdat on May-31-2005 12:44:

quote:
Originally posted by basd
That's what I meant. The TT spins in the same direction, but the needle goes outward from the center. It's just a matter of the groove on the record being applied in the exact opposite direction.

So, to answer your question, yes, it is possible.

hehe got confusing between the playing backwards/forward on inwards or outwards

Posted by basd on May-31-2005 13:12:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
hehe got confusing between the playing backwards/forward on inwards or outwards

I had the exact same. Think I've stated it correctly now though

Posted by Scooter is God on May-31-2005 14:51:

Some Vestax turntables have a backwards spinning function so you can play any record in reverse.

Posted by 3xx3r7 on Jun-01-2005 00:28:

If the groove spiral is flipped then yes, it would play outward with no difference in sound. It is not very practical, since when the record finishes playing, the cart may fall onto dots and possibly get damaged.

Posted by 3xx3r7 on Jun-01-2005 00:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Unforgiven
Some Vestax turntables have a backwards spinning function so you can play any record in reverse.

The thread creator meant the records that would play outward during regular forward play on TT.

Posted by auujay on Jun-01-2005 01:25:

quote:
Originally posted by 3xx3r7
If the groove spiral is flipped then yes, it would play outward with no difference in sound. It is not very practical, since when the record finishes playing, the cart may fall onto dots and possibly get damaged.

No, you should be able to have a runout groove on the outside of the record just like normal vinyl has one around the center.

The only issue with this type of vinyl I can imagine is that on automatic record players (not manual decks like 1200s), they would not work correctly because they assume the record is over at the center and not the edge.

Posted by veezee on Jun-01-2005 06:01:

Posted by T-Soma on Jun-01-2005 09:08:

quote:
Originally posted by auujay
The only issue with this type of vinyl I can imagine is that on automatic record players (not manual decks like 1200s), they would not work correctly because they assume the record is over at the center and not the edge.

Damn the one thing my tt has going for it would be ruind. Im serious besids the fact that its auto evrything else is shet.

Posted by Zer0nium on Jun-01-2005 22:14:

The main point of this thread was really to see if it was possible. Lately, I've been producing some tracks of a "different" nature.... I'm sorry I can't elaborate on that, but who knows.... I just may release it. : )

Also, do you think pressing would cost more for backwards?

Posted by S-a-M-u-E-l on Jun-01-2005 22:49:

yeah i have a record by paul johnson (oh no...not trance!!!) that starts from the center and moves towards the outside

Posted by klappa on Jun-02-2005 21:19:

wouldn't it be cool if it plays all the way to the hole in the innerlabel? Are there any such records?

Posted by 3xx3r7 on Jun-03-2005 03:24:

quote:
Originally posted by veezee
who lets there records play out till the end?

Jay

When you have long mixes, then many times you play them to the end.

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
wouldn't it be cool if it plays all the way to the hole in the innerlabel? Are there any such records?

Tonearm does not reach to the hole.

Posted by klappa on Jun-03-2005 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by 3xx3r7
When you have long mixes, then many times you play them to the end.

Tonearm does not reach to the hole.

actually mine does with some force.......

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jun-03-2005 23:46:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
actually mine does with some force.......

Mine goes way over and it doesn't even require force...

Posted by Nexium on Jun-05-2005 18:05:

wow ive never heard of records playing from the centre outwards but there must be some advantages to this - 2 i can think of:

1. Im think that the sound quality of a record is reduced the further towards the centre you go (this is what i've heard anyway) so you're advised not to put ur breakdown too near the end but if u played it in reverse then it wouldn't matter

2. The other is when u hav two tracks on 1 side of a record. U cud start one from each end of the record.