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Advanced Mixing Techniques: Phasing, Doubeling and Advanced EQ Techniques

Hi.
Ok, So I have been DJing for about 3 years on CDs and vinyls, and I've got to a point where I'm not satisfied with my mixing,
I'm already well trained in beatmatching and EQing but I would like to learn how to make my mixing more interesting and creative, switching frequencies doesnt do it to me anymore, and so I would appriciate it allot if some of you could drop your tips about your advanced EQing, Drop Mixing, Phasing and Doubeling as an effect (I saw Derrick Carter do this its awesome!)

Thanks in advance.

im in the exact same boat man, some useful tips on advanced mixing would be great to make my sets a lil more interesting for me and my crowd. cheers.

SAMMMMMMEeeeeeeeeee


everyone should get together and come up with ideas, please don't bash each other....

i got some simple tips from a thread i started a while ago, that others posted.

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bokus

If the the vinyl im mixing out of has a strong ending synth at the point
I match, I will have the high turned up cut the mid's , keep the bass
around 12, and when im mixing down the track, Ill bring it back up with
volume so the synth is hitting hard every one in awhile till the next
vinyl hits a new set of bars.


moondog

there is plenty you can do, even with trance. for example, you could
get the new track beatmatched, cue it at the beginning of the next
phrase of the current track, and then say, drop 1, 2, or 4 beats from
the cue track in while cutting the bass from the playing track. Or you
could again start the cue track one phrase from the breakdown of the
playing track, cut the bass on the cue track, and slowly bring it in so
that it's at almost full volume by the time the breakdown is approaching,
then cut the cue track when the breakdown starts, gives listeners the
impression that a new track is coming in until they hear the breakdown
of the track that was already playing. As someone else said, you do need
to know your tracks to do this. Just a couple of very simple things you
could do, or you could get an FX pad.


mzvirbulis

love making snipits of parts of other tracks like the high feq...
lately i played John Askew - blackout with Active Sight - out of our lives.
i droped AS On the finish of the last breakdown and it just goes nicely with
that synth while with the pumpin tune of askews.


i got big pants
tranceaddict

i love cutting in mixes. cutting = switch to another channel during a
high hat. or sometimes after a beat phrase has ended, throw in a part of
the track in cueing up, usually the melody. (granted its harder to do this
with trance)

also love kicking in the bass every so often just to get that extra "umph"
if im about to go into a harder track.


dinoXpress

yeah i feel that, and during the breakdown you can add the bass frequencies
from your next track so you have like a soft umph from a hard kick fillin
in the breakdoen from onw track. on the right track is a lot of fun.

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and thats all i got, few hints, but i would still like more hints from others, that are a lil more advanced or technical, rather than just simple eq'n n cutn, just like the name of this thread says.

peace.

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Originally posted by DJ_RoKo and thats all i got, few hints, but i would still like more hints from others, that are a lil more advanced or technical, rather than just simple eq'n n cutn, just like the name of this thread says. peace.

well theres oly so much one can do wth 2 turntables and a mixer with eqs. right?

unl;ess you want to get into turntablism, and add those elements to your set, i dont know whta to tell you.

cutting layering dropping beattools, a capellas, samples from scratch records using two copies of the same records (not sure how this would go down with trance..)

dropping a beat from ur next song in off time

IE.

Song 1.
beat----beat----beat----beat----beat----beat----
Song 2.
----beat----beat----beat----beat----beat----beat

doign this for over a period of 8 beats, can add a nice effect especially at the end of a phrase if the next thrack ur mixing in had a very basic intro. careful tho, make sure its beatmatched well. or ull turn a controlled fire, into a massive flamefest.




without an efx unit,


im afraid to tell you theres not much else.


and if im wrong, nothing would make me happier than someone correcting me.

beat juggling and sampling. That's what i'm practicing at the minute.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress well theres oly so much one can do wth 2 turntables and a mixer with eqs. right? (...)

We can always try to add som CDJ techniques?

Even if som ppl here don't like spinning CDs, you all must admit that CDs give us more freedom..
So if anybody have any nice techniques for the CDJ1000s, I'll be happy to read them and try them out

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Originally posted by Jeremy H We can always try to add som CDJ techniques? Even if som ppl here don't like spinning CDs, you all must admit that CDs give us more freedom.. So if anybody have any nice techniques for the CDJ1000s, I'll be happy to read them and try them out

u are right.

for example, on the cmx 3000 there are these 3 hot cure buttons which i love to program on an intrumental part of the track, and just go mad with mixing up the track fiddling with the melody its hard to explain, just kinda jamming with the hot cues either on the track thats live or the cued track, like a sampler almost..


there are so many more but im too lazy to post them all

use 3 at once....will open up your sets enormously- especially if you start doubling up with two copies of the same record and stuff like that.

3 at once with an effects unit on the go as well will blow your mind.

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Originally posted by Freak use 3 at once....will open up your sets enormously- especially if you start doubling up with two copies of the same record and stuff like that. 3 at once with an effects unit on the go as well will blow your mind.

freak you are so right.

now we must find a way to grow that third arm.....

See,

at this stage i use a laptop, and I really want somethign to make my sets more interesting.... other than special effects and the like... i just wanna be really good mixer.

I was just wondering if ALL mixers came are 4 channels, so i can add some turntables, adn essentially have the 4 differnt sources... that way the computer can be the FX machine etc. etc. blah blah

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Originally posted by Abhay See, at this stage i use a laptop, and I really want somethign to make my sets more interesting.... other than special effects and the like... i just wanna be really good mixer. I was just wondering if ALL mixers came are 4 channels, so i can add some turntables, adn essentially have the 4 differnt sources... that way the computer can be the FX machine etc. etc. blah blah

hes thinking!

http://www.pssl.com <--- check out mixers/equipment there.

not all are 4 channels, dj mixers range from something like 2-16 channels?

being a really good mixer takes a lot of time, and it looks to me liek ur just starting out.. so practice.

you could have as many sources as you wanted, if you can handle them all.

Thanks for your replies, I hope a mod will see this thread and perhaps decide to stick it.

Some of you gave interesting tips that are proved to be useful.

Now to some of my methods:

1. If I have a powefull tune playing and I'd like to create a mix that enhances the power of the next track I'll always start off by mixing the Hi frequency in first and then gently smoothing the Mid's in at the same time, then I'll slightly switch the bass off for a few seconds and when a bar finishes I'll switch in the bass of the new track in a fast motion,
this always gives the feeling like you never went and transitioned the track but rather simply played it in in a cutting move.

2. Its always nice to keep your vocals playing after youve mixed the track out, a great example for a track that keeps the vocals playing after youve already mixed it out is Peace Division - What Is That Sound [King Unique Re-Edit]
It has a point where you can mix the track out and still have almost 20 seconds of spoken vocals, if mixed correctly as soon as your tracks bassline will kick in the word "WOW" will enter in the background from the outgoing track and that will create a pretty cool effect.

3. A Nice way to finish off a mix is also cutting your tracks in a way that will create a mini build-up before your new track enters fully.

You do this by lowering one track's bass down all the way and fading your channels in and out like counting 1,2,3,4
IE

1. Left Fader Up
2. Right Fader Up
3. Left Fader Down
4. Right Fader Down

And repeat for as long as you want
Sounds really cool if performed correctly.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress hes thinking! http://www.pssl.com <--- check out mixers/equipment there. not all are 4 channels, dj mixers range from something like 2-16 channels? being a really good mixer takes a lot of time, and it looks to me liek ur just starting out.. so practice. you could have as many sources as you wanted, if you can handle them all.

You have no fucking idea how much your encouragement helps pov n00bs like me....

One thing that i do for example, is reversing the playing track before switching to the cued track.

A perfect example would be to change from the bassline from a standard trance track (coeming to an end), to one with a really heavy defined bass.., Liek Dj Tiesto- Traffic...

In Traffic the bass goes Doof, Dooof dooof dooof.. DWOOOOoosssshhhF... Doof, Dooof dooof dooof.. DWOOOOooooossffffF... Doof, Dooof dooof dooof.. DWOOOOssshhhffff... ..... then as the track gets is about to get moving, it all comes to a CRASH WITH A REALLY pronounced DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOOOOOOFffffff, adn the track takes off like a standard trance track...

this is a perfect example...

if i was switching, I bring up the dull bass, (the fader is half-way)... If i have a sample of a constant, rumbling, deep sub-bass, i start playing it on loopp for a couple of secnods... then about 3 seconds before the crash arrives in TRAFFIC, I start reversing the playing track.... and then SWITCH to traffic just as the crash comes in...

It's a little trick off parade of the Athlete ;-D

It makes it all sound like the original track is getting blown to pieces, or being DISTORTED by the incoming track... it goes in really well...
u need a really well pronounced- defined build up, with a lot of energy... before the cued track gets moving... traffic is a perfect example

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Originally posted by Abhay You have no fucking idea how much your encouragement helps pov n00bs like me....

i do my best, im not a master, but i can hold my own, so i try and help as much as possible.

Are there any videos online showing how to do some of these techniques? Or do any of you guys wanna make videos of yourselves performing them? I'm very interested.

With eq theres no set way to use it to get a perfect mix,you just have to generally feel the music,one helpfull bit of advice i will give you you is watch the bass this is very very important to getting a smooth mix some mixes you will swap and others blend you should really try blend the bass with 90% of your mixes just swapping doesnt give you much control and sounds to abrupt,also with eq try to reduce frequencies rather than boost this sounds more natural,hope this helps,keep practicing.

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Originally posted by Nou Cool trick for CDJ-800's or any CD player where you can adjust the loops out point in real time is to loop a kick and then gradually make the loop time shorter so you can create mini kick rolls... or snare rolls, or whatever. Also playing vocal snippits with it and adusting the length is fun.

Yeah, I do that all the time... its a wicked effect. You can even go further and keep shortening down the loop time so it gets to even less than a single beat. It creates this stuttering effect that gets faster and faster and faster the shorter you make the loop point. Add in a flanger or a phaser and you have your very own fx driven buildup. If you preset a cue point at the break, you can then jump stright to the break. Works a treat

Check out this video for an example of what you can do with CD deck trickery.

Beware... it is hip-hop but its well worth watching. He does some cool tricks with loops and samples and stuff.


http://www.djshyproductions.com/med...denon/DJSHY.WMV

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Originally posted by Nou Cool trick for CDJ-800's or any CD player where you can adjust the loops out point in real time is to loop a kick and then gradually make the loop time shorter so you can create mini kick rolls... or snare rolls, or whatever. Also playing vocal snippits with it and adusting the length is fun.

Thanks Nou - I've been looking for some inspiration to play around with my CDJ 800's loops... Timing is rough to catch at first, but fun to work on no less...

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Originally posted by Dizkojockey With eq theres no set way to use it to get a perfect mix,you just have to generally feel the music,one helpfull bit of advice i will give you you is watch the bass this is very very important to getting a smooth mix some mixes you will swap and others blend you should really try blend the bass with 90% of your mixes just swapping doesnt give you much control and sounds to abrupt,also with eq try to reduce frequencies rather than boost this sounds more natural,hope this helps,keep practicing.

i agree 100%. good advice.

can anyone do anything remotely eddie halliwell style.. hes fuckin nuts.. i know how he does it all, just dont have the equipment to try and practice it Would be cool to hear from anyone thats tried his cd scratching, beat juggling etc???

Not sure if it was mentioned. But I call it the power down. Probably a real professional dj name for it. But right when a track is breaking down and the track has a strong synth or bass after the break down, I turn the power off so its a slower of a break down flip the power back on and press start right when the hard synth/bass comes in. Works good for the part in Traffic if you know the part im talking about.

just making note before you do what rpm ur playin ur track at

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