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Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-04-2005 13:24:

DJ KaRiMNeT - Pharaonic Legend [New Progressive Tune] [updated]

Hey all .. i'm back with a progressive tune .. this is a demo of the track coz i'm talkin with some labels about it

Track Name : Pharaonic Legend
Producer : DJ KaRiMNeT a.k.a System K
Quality : 192 KBPs
Length : 3:43


Clip Updated

Download :
http://hesham-abdelmegid.info/karim...Legend_Demo.mp3


all comments are welcome and apperciated

Regards,
DJ KaRiMNeT a.k.a System K


Posted by Klangzentrum on Jun-04-2005 13:42:

hey karim!

i�ve got the impression you produce all day! everytime i come over here, there's something new from you!

u've got a nice use of percs in this one! maybe i'd increase the volume of the pad at the beginning of the sample...
also the melody is too low in volume, imo...it's because the percs are very dominant...shouldnt be a big problem to solve...

all in all i think it's pretty good! with some more work on eq and variation this could turn out great!


// Lars


Posted by Dj Radman on Jun-04-2005 14:01:

Hey man, i must say, alot better than some of your other stuff I've heard, you really got it down with the purcussion now as Klangzentrum mentioned, the lead should be brought up a bit and the pads a little louder, other than that, superb work chap

Cheers


Posted by alanzo on Jun-04-2005 14:16:

Nice track. Try adding some more atmosphere and variation in the percussion. Mastering is good.


Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-04-2005 15:45:

Klangzentrum
Thanx for listening m8 and about the volumes it is easy 2 do
and i'm glad you find me an active producer


Dj Radman
Thanx for listening dude and i'll adjust the volumes as said above

alanzo
Thanx for listening and about the variration it is variated but just you listened to a demo u Know .. and the atmosphere i think will be better by adjusting the volumes a lil bit


Posted by staticblue on Jun-04-2005 18:04:

pretty nice work mate, and original


Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-04-2005 22:45:

Thanx alot dude and i'm glad you like it


Posted by Mycron on Jun-04-2005 22:55:

pretty nice work mate, glad you fixed some things in it i mentioned before, nice unique deep track,

good luck with labels!

keep up the good work, mate!


Posted by Perry on Jun-04-2005 23:13:

haha oriental progressive trance i like it...altuogh i suggest changing that darbuka sound the bass sounds hmm too thin which means i cant feel the "HEAVY" feeling , the subbbass...good mixing and atmosphere try to work on a low-subbass

nothing more to add

goodluck


Posted by Atlantis-AR on Jun-05-2005 00:52:

I'm going to give you a quick technical overview while I have a spare moment, just because I can.

Overall, your mix is lacking insterest to me, mostly in that things just seem to drag on. You need more punch, so try compressing the kick with a longer attack time to add more dynamic movement.

The bass could come up in level a bit, and could perhaps also sound punchier. With everything sounding as smooth as it does now, there's no real distinction between any of the instruments, hence no dynamic interest.

You'll have to work on mixing, particularly give each of the instruments their own space. Everything sounds so blurry and washed out, especially in the z-axis (back to front). I feel you could use more reverb on the pads to separate them apart more from the instruments near the front of the mix (kick, bass, etc.).

Perhaps try giving your leads some more presence around ~5 kHz, to give them that extra edge and just to let them sit on top of the mix a bit more rather than being so lost inside it.

Pan some sounds a little more to the right too (some of the percussions perhaps?), as your mix is fairly off balance at the moment.

And watch that muddiness level. Use high pass filters to give the kick and bass more breathing space, and just to separate the padding more from the synths.

As I mentioned before, everything just sounds too washed out, without any things standing out to make this interesting for me. The melody entering at 2:41, for instance, has a similar reverb setting to the backing pad, in turn placing it at the back of the mix. It creates too much sound at this point on the z-axis, whereas ideally you want the lead, being the focus of the track, to sit closer to the front. I want to hear a memorable melody singing to me, rather than being washed into the back of the mix where it's barely audible.

Of course, none of these points will apply if you used them for an artistic reason, but I just feel they are some of the things that would make this work better.


Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-05-2005 09:32:

Thanx Peter and i'm glad you liked it

Perry
i like how the percs going now and i'll see if i can tweak the bass a lil ..

Atlantis-AR
Really thanx for this technical review .. i'm not a guru in mastering but i will do my best and thanx again this is really helping


Posted by Atlantis-AR on Jun-05-2005 10:30:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ KaRiM NeT
Atlantis-AR
Really thanx for this technical review .. i'm not a guru in mastering but i will do my best and thanx again this is really helping


Hmm, nothing to do with mastering there - it's all mixing.

I know I have a tendancy to make assumptions while explaining stuff though, so let me know if there's anything you don't quite get. When I said "use high pass filters to give the kick and bass more breathing space", for example, I obviously ment to apply these filters to all bass-independent instruments, which I suppose could be a little unclear if you didn't realise the potential of high pass filters.

From a technical standpoint, basically just try giving each of the instruments more breathing space and definition by separating them apart more either through volume (including compression), equalisation, or reverb.


Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-05-2005 17:19:

workin on that now .. i'll update the sample tonight i think ..


Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-06-2005 02:02:

Clip Updated plz re-check


Posted by Mycron on Jun-06-2005 09:37:

nice, clear percussions, you seems to be very good at percussions, i like it, this sounds definitely better now, nice deep choir, maybe you can try add a bit more deepness to the bassline (although it can be a really bad idea), i like the drive, good melodies, very nice gated synth, the clap should be a bit better eqed in the main part in my opinion, i miss revcrash from a few places (but its only personal prefence),

now its definitely sounding better, mate!

really nice work mate, cool unique track,

good luck with it

keep it up!


Posted by Jay M on Jun-06-2005 10:00:

Haha what is it with you and pharao's..

Nice percs here, and Egyptian sounding bassline. Cool breakbeat, but the melody doesn't really do anything to me, too simple bells and guitars. No real drive in the track, pity.

Pharao's don't really suit me I guess...


Posted by Atlantis-AR on Jun-06-2005 10:10:

I'd say the choir is actually a bit too deep now. Reverb is definitely better, but because the pad is a bit on the loud side, it also tends to wash the rest of the track in reverb too (especially in the first part).

Kick sounds a little thin and lost, but it actually sounds OK due to the bass mostly driving the track along.

You definitely have more punch in the bottom-end now, but the top-end is really missing sparkle. Try increasing the hihats just a little, and see if you can boost ~5 kHz on some kind of lead synth. The gated synth perhaps? It's just that overall the spectrum is lacking a fair bit of 5 kHz, which equates to presence, and which explains why the sound of your track just doesn't really 'bite'.

Maybe try giving the percussions some more 'space' too, seeing as though they're such a key element in the track? They're kind of lost behind the wash of synths at the front of the mix now, whereas first they were so nicely situated off the left. I suppose maybe this was an attempt to position more sound in the right channel? On second thought, maybe shift the percussions off to the side again, and maybe shift a synth a little to the right perhaps? Or why not pan the separate drums throughout the x-axis (panning), provided it's not a loop, of course. Though keep them close enough so as to keep the rhythm sounding as one.

Just some ideas, but the sound is definitely improving.

Are you using high pass filters on all instruments but the kick and bass, by the way?


Posted by staticblue on Jun-06-2005 10:29:

Atlantis feedback is always full of nice ideas


Karim : clip is getting better


Posted by dj jasonF on Jun-06-2005 14:26:

this one is probably the best thing ive heard from you... and its actually the first time your percs are good.. you didnt rush them i guess. btw i think you need to eq a bit cuz when it hits with the beat it sounds weird.. maybe its just the crappy headphones i have now tho

keep it up


Posted by DJ KaRiM NeT on Jun-06-2005 19:57:

Mycron
Thanx peter for ur nice words and i'm glad u liked it

Jay M
i'm from the new pharaos

Atlantis-AR
Thanx i'm glad u find it getting better .. and i didn't use filters on kick or bass ..

staticblue
Thanx alot yea Atlantis comments r always helping !

dj jasonF
thx for listening and i'm glad you liked it and plz try on another speakers and if u find them the same tell me


Posted by retiro on Jun-06-2005 20:05:

Original ideas but really not my thing! The track doesn't seem to head anywhere! Lacking in variation for me, not kinda gripping my attention!

I have heard better from you Karim!


Posted by alexpea on Jun-06-2005 20:48:

Special track... Chilled... Laidback... Pads are too loud though imo!! The harmonies in this one is very cool.. Still, I feel that this is a track that could have been produced by a noob.. Sounds soooo easy to make. Therefore it doesn't impress me at all, hehe... Still very relaxing to listen to!!


Posted by Atlantis-AR on Jun-06-2005 22:36:

No, I didn't mean to use filters on the kick and bass, but on everything but the kick and bass. If you place these high pass filters on padding, leads and hihats etc., then you'll end up making room for the kick and bass (so they'll become more powerful and distinct), as well as cleaning the sound up from muddiness. It opens the mix up, while also removing any DC offset effects that software synths create so often.

The key is to roll off just enough so as to remove any rumble, but not to degrade any of the musical content. You may find that temporarily switching the filter to low pass while adjusting the cut off frequency helps to pick the right frequency, all before switching the filter to high pass again.

Also, I'm not exactly sure what dj jasonF is talking about, but there aren't really any major EQ clashes. You might however want to try cutting a few dBs at 55 Hz with a Q of 3.45 on the bass, just to carve out some room for the kick to sit in. A lot of EQs tend to work differently with Q values than they technically should though, so try to set a Q value so that the frequencies between 41 Hz and 73 Hz are effected, with 55 Hz as the centre frequency.


Posted by Semirk on Jun-06-2005 22:47:

Nice sounds, nice ideas but the track lacked any kind of depth to me, it all sounds a bit samey from the sample. Theres no real change in sound at all. The kick in my opinion should have more impact to it to push the track along and add further depth to the sounds. It is a bit muddy, everything seamed to be tied together volume-wise.

Just a variation of sounds really is needed because to be honest it sort of lost my interest a bit. Its a cool track but after about a minute of it, it does get rather tiresome.

Keep working at it though and I'm sure you could make a good job of it, it does have potential.


Posted by kopi_luwak on Jun-06-2005 23:50:

Hey,
Listening ... Very relaxing style, this sounds a bit like 80's New Age stuff, remind me a bit of Fresh Air style .
Percussions are pretty cool, in my opinion this track is claming for a an ethnic flute solo .
In overall, really wicked chill out stuff, a 8.5 in my kopimeter , keep the great work mate .
Kopi =o.


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