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Naming Threads

There is a little discussion going on here about the name of the thread the creator has given and it seems to bother people.

Thread naming is often bad on this forum and especially when you want to present something to the crowd for reviewing. A few things occur which start to annoy some members including myself:

* Bragging ("killer track inside", "listen to this monster", "best yet")
* Begging ("plz review", "comments appreciated", "need your opinion")
* No trackname ("I made a new track", "new track by me", ...)
* Unwanted other ("free download", "ok")

Let me go through this points more thoroughly.

* This is a promotion forum, true, but let me tell you that by telling us that you just finished "a monster track" is just bullock in most of the cases and that automatically makes you a liar and it's pretty arrogant. Be wise and don't tell us you have a killer track while it's total crap.

* PLEASE don't beg you want more reviews! You get what you deserve when you act normal on here, ok? I know it's hard especially for newbies to sit and wait for reviews while your threads stays empty. I've been there too. I'm sure when the forum looks better everyone will get their reviews. Actually it's kinda cool to be the first to review, cause everybody reads the first!

* Post the trackname with some info on it. By info I don't mean how good it is. A good suggestion methinks would be:

[Genre or style] Artist - Name of track (Mix) - bitrate Sample or full

That's it. The italic parts are optional. E.g. I could be posting something like this:

[Prog. Trance] Yarune - Sync Master (Instrumental Mix) 128 kbps sample

Believe me, that's no more than you need to know. And no less. Assume there are quite some DJ's looking around these forums who want to play nice fresh tracks. You need to present your track in a decent way! There might be some label A&R's around here too.

* And no other nonsense like "I'm drunk and made this" or just "ok", it really looks aweful and doesn't invite people to read your thread, trust me.

The point of this is that there must be a rule for this to give every thread a good and fair chance and to give this part of the forum a better look.

I hope to get some response on this so we can get this rule up for the sake of this forum and by that the sake of us all.

- Jay

Ohh yeah.. I hate those "check this great tune out"-threads, and when you decide to open the thread there's nothing there besides a link. NO information at all..

I think it's a very good idea, and it will be much more helpfull and efficient to find tracks in a genre you want to hear and comment on.

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Originally posted by flamingopikken Ohh yeah.. I hate those "check this great tune out"-threads, and when you decide to open the thread there's nothing there besides a link. NO information at all.. I think it's a very good idea, and it will be much more helpfull and efficient to find tracks in a genre you want to hear and comment on.

Hm yes that's a good other thing you mentioned: no background information on the track. When you give some information on the track, e.g. your mood when making it or some image fitting with the track, it's far more attractive for visitors to listen to it. Not just "Hi Review pls ktnxbye."

I am with you, I used to post *Plz review* attached to my thread title, and now I see how lame it is. There should be a *Polite Thread Titles Mod* or sort of, lol ... .
Kopi =o.

Hey. You have my support . We should also require a bit of information on the track. I'm not wanting anything as specific as I sometimes post but it would be great if everyone could atleast post all the instruments (hardware/software/samples) they used, track time, the host they used (FLS/Sonar/Cubase/Logic/Reason/Abelton/etc), and track speed (BPM). This is useful information for those people that might want to remix a song and or collab with someone to finish a track.

Cheers,
Zac

Not sure i totally agree DarkSword, i think if the track is good and people want that, its easy to PM or email that person about the details, or even to ask and get a reply in the thread. I know for example that alot of people instantly dismiss Reason as having poor sound quality, and if they saw that a tune is made only in Reason they might not bother to listen and review it.

But i do think that the best way to get replies and comments in your track is simply to work at producing good tunes, and soon enough your name will get around, and if the song is good it will get replies and keep it at the top of the page for more people to see etc

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Originally posted by Invertika Not sure i totally agree DarkSword, i think if the track is good and people want that, its easy to PM or email that person about the details, or even to ask and get a reply in the thread. I know for example that alot of people instantly dismiss Reason as having poor sound quality, and if they saw that a tune is made only in Reason they might not bother to listen and review it. But i do think that the best way to get replies and comments in your track is simply to work at producing good tunes, and soon enough your name will get around, and if the song is good it will get replies and keep it at the top of the page for more people to see etc

Ok.

But we're talking about just the naming of the thread of a track, thus presenting it to the visitors here. Presentation is a very important part, next to producing. Keep the discussion focussed on that please

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Originally posted by Jay M Ok. But we're talking about just the naming of the thread of a track, thus presenting it to the visitors here. Presentation is a very important part, next to producing. Keep the discussion focussed on that please

yeah, i guess i said it wrong, i meant that since the best way to get noticed is to produce quality, you should just post your artist name and track title, along with sample rate/genre and let the tune do the talking

ie [trance] Armin van Buuren - Shivers [192kbps full]

then it levels the playing field for everyone

definately, it's a lot better than it used to be in all fairness

I agree with Jay M






and his avatar

I support everything said in this thread....

i am really sick of seeing "killer track" on thread titles... so unprofessional

Aye, I agree dude.

This thread should be a sticky.

Make it a sticky mate, very good thread I think. I find it hard for myself to really want to open a topic nowadays just because of its name...

You should indeed put the name in the thread title. Never naming an artist name and title in your topic also makes it hard for people to really start remembering you I think, which is quite crucial if you want to be able to see some progression and improvement in time.

I also think a little bit of background info is needed. It just makes it more comfortable somehow for the listener to see where it all came from. Maybe not exactly put all the details about your setup (I don't think it's very relevant towards your sound), but maybe some details about the song itself - in all "assertive-ness"

Cheers,
Wim

Hey cool, a sticky.

Glad to see some support! I'm confident that at least the people posting in this thread supporting the statement will get their tracks well presented here.

Cheers!
-Jay

it's definately worthy...

problem is people often ignore the stickies

Yeah its really annoying when someone put

OMFG look new track ****///*/*%64*/*

It makes you question did they actually produce it.

really good suggestions...

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Originally posted by Luke Terry problem is people often ignore the stickies

ban them!






perhaps rename the thread title... drop "discussion - suggestion on".

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK ban them! perhaps rename the thread title... drop "discussion - suggestion on".

BIG PINK BOLD TEXT IS YOUR FRIEND!!

good idea...

but is it really necessary to have a track title if it is a work in progress?

also, i kind of like the "i made this when i'm drunk" threads. admit it, they're funny!

i don't want TA turning into some strict rule-driven site. i like these forums because of the informality and friendliness. the more professional you make things, the colder they are. TAs a place where i find good songs, get good reviews on my songs, and have fun at the same time



yea maybe the "please review" and "omg this song are teh roxx0r" thread titles need to go, but there's no point in being THAT strict over 'em. If i don't like the title, i don't click. the end.

word I agree 100%

One thing that wasn't covered that really pisses me off is when people add annoying radio compression or put annoying bleeps in between their music so that it doesn't get stolen. I have no problem with you guys not sharing your tunes... It's just that we want to be able to hear the meat of the track and be able to review it.

Here are suggestions you can use to be able to show us a good sample without sharing your track.

Sample at least 2:30 minutes of the track... starting with the breakdown then continuing with the buildup then a little bit like 8 bars of the dancey part... so we hear the climax of the track... not stupid 2 minute clips we've been getting here like the intro... that's nice if it's a track you started, but if it's a complete track, sample someplace where the track is recognizable.

Play a set rip at least 96kbps... if you wanna show us the whole track without flinching, but want the quality to be okay, but still don't want it to be shared... give us a mid quality set rip. That way we hear how the track goes in general, and we'll be able to hear how it mixes well with other tracks, providing you have the track mix points available in your set rip.

or play the whole track in at least 64kbps... that way we hear the whole track form start to finish without having anyone taking the song.

But yeah none of that overcompression crap or messing up the mix..

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Originally posted by EtherealSL but is it really necessary to have a track title if it is a work in progress?

it should be okay to just add "work in progress" together with the other info in the end of the threads title (like full/sample, bitrate etc.)

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Originally posted by EtherealSL also, i kind of like the "i made this when i'm drunk" threads. admit it, they're funny! i don't want TA turning into some strict rule-driven site. i like these forums because of the informality and friendliness. the more professional you make things, the colder they are. TAs a place where i find good songs, get good reviews on my songs, and have fun at the same time

shure it's quite funny reading thoose threads but remember that this forumsection is mainly for promoting yourself and your latest work/work in progress. A track that you come up with when your'e drunk is 9 times out of 10 a work that won't even be finished and it's not seriously done. Imho it's quite unfair to the serious producers that they get the light stolen away from them because of "drunken productions"-threads. Besides doesn't that kind of threads belong in the chill out forum rather than here?

all in all I think the rules for naming threads needs to be stricter, the suggestions posted in this thread is great as long as it's kept simple... [genre, artist, trackname (if it has any), remix, other valuable info]
nothing more than that needs to go into the title of the thread.�

and a simple way to solve the problem with people not following the naming rules is simply to change the title for them or in worst case just lock/remove the thread if the author of it keeps breaking the rules.

PS.
A good way to get people into this system is simply that everyone that's read this thread and support the ideas in it start naming their threads like mentioned in here. Soon enough people will start following and do the same

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Originally posted by gerrycueto word I agree 100% Sample at least 2:30 minutes of the track... starting with the breakdown then continuing with the buildup then a little bit like 8 bars of the dancey part... so we hear the climax of the track... not stupid 2 minute clips we've been getting here like the intro... that's nice if it's a track you started, but if it's a complete track, sample someplace where the track is recognizable. Play a set rip at least 96kbps... if you wanna show us the whole track without flinching, but want the quality to be okay, but still don't want it to be shared... give us a mid quality set rip. That way we hear how the track goes in general, and we'll be able to hear how it mixes well with other tracks, providing you have the track mix points available in your set rip. or play the whole track in at least 64kbps... that way we hear the whole track form start to finish without having anyone taking the song. But yeah none of that overcompression crap or messing up the mix..

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=173474

As for Jay M's suggestion, I think it's a great idea. Makes it really easy to skim through the tunes and hear the kind of tracks you're into. I'd hate to miss some quality uplifting trance simply because the thread title was inappropriate

Yeah but i posted my idea here since that thread was closed... :P

and I also think that names aren't that important anymore... you do have a point, you could miss some great tunes... if some guy who hasn't been here before posted something awkward.

I'm with you guys all the way on this, many people miss out on potentially good music because of a thread name. People have to be a bit more open minded as they browse around, keeping in mind that some people just don't name their stuff in an appealing way.

MY style of naming is, if it's a new release from me, i'll put:

[New] Nullistic - Track Name (Track Style such as melodic, uplifting, hard, whatever it may be), and sometimes track length and bitrate afterwards.

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