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Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-16-2005 04:25:

Max Graham

Hey guys,

Ive been producing for around about a year now, starting to come up with some stuff im liking. At the moment, probably my favourite producer is max graham;- i am really digging the sound he is making.

I am posting this to the experienced producers that frequent this forum;

Are you able to explain/demonstrate how
1) He gets that really phat bass sound.
2) How he gets his drums sounding so incredibly clean.

I use cubase, Battery 2, and all the main VST synths that are available. I understand he uses a virus C for his bass, but if anyone could help me understand how to create that sound etc, i would really appreciate it.

Thanks.

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-16-2005 05:04:

grab a recent track of his,

Posted by Zombie0729 on Jun-16-2005 15:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Eyeofthejedi
grab a recent track of his,

actually if we are going to help you out, we need an idea of what bass you are talking about and what percs

Posted by paulc_dj on Jun-16-2005 16:16:

I think the bass sound you are referring to is the one used in Owner of a lonely heart (Remix). It was used a lot in speed garage back in the lat 90's it's kind a deep rumble. I for one would be interested to find out how to make it as well.

Posted by everyMan on Jun-16-2005 16:39:

post a sample of it

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-17-2005 00:29:

Hey,

Ive created a couple of samples from a max graham track. I Chose his remix of owner of a lonely heart, because its probably the track that most of you will be most familiar with

First, heres a sample of his bass;
Im looking for information/demonstration on how to recreate this sound.

http://www.djbensmith.net/Max%20gra...ss%20sample.mp3

Secondly, heres a sample of his percs;
Im just curious if anyone can provide some good info on how he gets his drums so damn clean and nice.

http://www.djbensmith.net/max%20gra...cs%20sample.mp3

Im aware of the techniques used, but i guess im looking for more in depth information than just, "use compression", or "eq" it.

Sweet, thanks guys.

Posted by everyMan on Jun-17-2005 14:09:

I come up with this :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevot...xgrahamBass.mp3
(Made with FM7)

Very easy to make this kind of bass :

First you need two sine oscillators(A and B), one panned 15% left, the other 15% right.
Let them go to the OUTPUT at 100% level in the matrix

Then use two saw oscillators(C and D) like this :
C frequency ratio is detuned 1.0070
D freq ratio is detuned 1.0070

Now in the matrix C --> 32 --> A
D --> 32 --> B

Equalize it like this :

bass resonance from 70 to 320
notch from 350 to 1500

Let me know if you want the patch

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-17-2005 14:11:

fark man that is absolutely perfect!

do you have msn?
add me to your msn;
[email protected]

Thanks heaps for your help;
and id love to get a hold of that patch.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by everyMan on Jun-17-2005 14:38:

I have msn installed but I don't use it.
Here is a package where you will find the preset for FM7 and if you own Fruityloops you will have the equalization settings :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevot...xgrahamBass.zip

For the percs, you just have to find good samples ...

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-17-2005 14:41:

thanks man,

did you create those percs as well?

Posted by everyMan on Jun-17-2005 14:43:

No I sampled the beat you gave me.

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-17-2005 14:48:

Ok man,

Ive loaded the patch up in cubase, using the fm7, and it sounds nothing at all like yours haha.

I dont have fruity loops, so could you run me through the steps i need to take to get it sounding phat
Cheers.

Posted by everyMan on Jun-17-2005 14:59:

here is the equalizer settings : http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...GO0SGCT83HZF6SN
I also add a sidechain compression.
In the package this also is a reverb but in fact it sounds better without ..
There is nothing else
Here is the midi : http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...IC3VKOZICEVD3HI

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-17-2005 15:01:

One last question, you've been really helpful, and i appreciate it muchly;

What is the best VST to use, for a side chaining compression;
and what settings will i need to use on the side chain compressor to get the desired result

Thanks

Posted by everyMan on Jun-17-2005 15:24:

In fact I don't own any SideChain Vst.. If you load the .flp in fruity you will see that it is only a simple compressor with an automation on the threshold.
When the kick comes the threshold goes -20 with an quick attack, then it rise to -5 at the offbeat..

Posted by Eyeofthejedi on Jun-17-2005 15:30:

Ok this is the sound im getting though :S

http://www.djbensmith.net/synth.mp3

Is that what yours sounded like before EQ and Side chaining?

Posted by everyMan on Jun-17-2005 16:20:

Yes ! now you can load the midi notes, put the tempo to 128BPM and equalize the sound trying to follow the equalization curve I gave you.

Posted by Zombie0729 on Jun-17-2005 16:57:

really well done, goes to show how important an EQ is on this bassline