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EU Summit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4097686.stm

Seems like its going to be a really interesting summit, with many important things to discuss. mainly the new long term budget (UKs rebate included) and the constitution.

Hopefully France can give in on the farm subsidies and the british rebate will be taken away. Hopefully too they decide to not cute on lisabon agenda and not on rnd, and also that they will continue with the ratification process.

Oh well, will be a few interesting days comming up now!

EU should just listen to Blair and pause elections on the Constitution.

My bet for this summit is that all the big guys get what they want - UK gets rebate, France and Germany get huge farm breaks.

You Europeans are and have always been a bunch of selfish bastards

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Hopefully France can give in on the farm subsidies and the british rebate will be taken away.

Not gonna happen.

The British, by choice, do not possess full membership in the EU (ditto Switzerland), so will refuse to pay the large-economy contribution to the EU budget expected of the richer countries. The Brits want all the economic perks of the EU and none of the responsibility for the "European" social model -- which really pisses off France, Germany, Holland, the Nederlanders, etc.

The idea with continuing the vote on the Constitution is to see whether the majority would pass it as-is. If only a few countries declined, then those countries could be pressured (so goes this wrong-thinking) into going to the polls again.

Cheers,
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Not gonna happen. The British, by choice, do not possess full membership in the EU (ditto Switzerland)

Er...the UK is a full member of the EU and Switzerland is not a member at all. I hope the UK does give up its rebate and France gives in to CAP reform. The UK is (apparently) using the rebate to force France to concede over CAP so fair play to em (if thats true of course!)

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Originally posted by George Smiley Er...the UK is a full member of the EU and Switzerland is not a member at all.

Sorry I worded that poorly.

Both are integrated into what was the former EEC, both practice select EU fiscal policies, but neither are full economic members. This is also why neither uses the Euro. For the same reasons, Norway didn't join at all. Too rich to want to, re: UK.

Check out the map in my sig (the Swiss want less to do with the EU, the UK moreso, but both only as associates at best, not full partners, so to speak). On the map, the Swiss ain't included, the British are. This is by their choice.

Why do you think the English are entitled to a rebate?

Cheers,
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Sorry I worded that poorly. Both are integrated into what was the former EEC, both practice select EU fiscal policies, but neither are full economic members. This is also why neither uses the Euro. For the same reasons, Norway didn't join at all. Too rich to want to, re: UK. Check out the map in my sig (the Swiss want less to do with the EU, the UK moreso, but both only as associates at best, not full partners, so to speak). On the map, the Swiss ain't included, the British are. This is by their choice. Why do you think the English are entitled to a rebate? Cheers, -Noble

The reason Switzerland isn't on your map is for the same reason Canada isn't on your map! It aint a part of the EU!! And it has never been part of the EEC. The UK is a full member not an associate member. We dont take part in the Euro but that is all (Greece and Denmark dont either) The UK is as full a member of the EU as France or Germany or Italy is and I'm confused as to why you think otherwise?

Oh and that quote by Churcill in your sig was never meant to include the UK!

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Originally posted by George Smiley The reason Switzerland isn't on your map is for the same reason Canada isn't on your map! It aint a part of the EU!! And it has never been part of the EEC. The UK is a full member not an associate member. We dont take part in the Euro but that is all (Greece and Denmark dont either)

What does that tell you? lol

And Greece does use the Euro. And Denmark is preparing to.

Cheers,
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu What does that tell you? lol And Greece does use the Euro. And Denmark is preparing to. Cheers, -Noble

That both Switzerland and the UK have a stronger currency then the Euro?

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Originally posted by George Smiley The UK is (apparently) using the rebate to force France to concede over CAP so fair play to em (if thats true of course!)

Yeah. I'm rooting for you.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu And Denmark is preparing to.

WTF? I really like it when Canadians tell me totally new and shocking information about my own country.
Denmark is outside of the economic union, and also not participating in any future military cooperation (we thought Nato was enough). Don't know why you would take on a nick such as you have, with so little knowledge on the actual state of the union?

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu What does that tell you? lol And Greece does use the Euro. And Denmark is preparing to. Cheers, -Noble

And the UK isn't preparing to join?!

Was gonna add "unless they have recently joined" as they weren't original participants. Greece was too poor to pass the economic criteria. Denmark is fairly anti-EU (like the UK) but was certainly economically powerful enuf to join at the start so I would imagine they are in the same boat as the UK.

Is it the Euro you are talking about when you say "associate member"? Cos the UK, with or without the Euro is a FULL member of the EU...

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Originally posted by trancaholic WTF? I really like it when Canadians tell me totally new and shocking information about my own country. Denmark is outside of the economic union, and also not participating in any future military cooperation (we thought Nato was enough). Don't know why you would take on a nick such as you have, with so little knowledge on the actual state of the union?

LOL! Maybe its supposed to be ironic or sarcastic?!

But Denmark isn't outside of the economic union or there'd be no point being a member! (You mean the Euro too! )

And your right bout the military (along with Ireland and Austria for different reasons) so I guess UK, Denmark, Ireland and Austria should all be relegated to "associate" no better than bloody Israel or Morrocco!!

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Originally posted by Yoepus That both Switzerland and the UK have a stronger currency then the Euro?

LOL:

Thursday, June 16, 2005

1 Euro = 1.53950 Swiss Franc
1 Swiss Franc (CHF) = 0.64956 Euro (EUR)

Median price = 1.53920 / 1.53950 (bid/ask)
Minimum price = 1.53600 / 1.53640
Maximum price = 1.54000 / 1.54030

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Originally posted by trancaholic WTF? I really like it when Canadians tell me totally new and shocking information about my own country. Denmark is outside of the economic union, and also not participating in any future military cooperation (we thought Nato was enough). Don't know why you would take on a nick such as you have, with so little knowledge on the actual state of the union?

Hail to my brother from Denmark! (No offense but see what I mean about the Euro populace's ignorance/apathy/disinterest on the EU even in their own countries?)

And what makes you think the EU is primarily a military alliance? That's a bit of farsical statement! One of the things that makes the EU so "noble" is its institutionalized pacifism.

Get a load of this mate:
http://www.eurocoins.co.uk/denmark.html

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Originally posted by George Smiley And your right bout the military (along with Ireland and Austria for different reasons) so I guess UK, Denmark, Ireland and Austria should all be relegated to "associate" no better than bloody Israel or Morrocco!!

Hee hee! Let's not go there.

Cheers,
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Hail to my brother from Denmark! (No offense but see what I mean about the Euro populace's ignorance/apathy/disinterest on the EU? What makes you think the EU is primarily a military alliance? That's a farsical statement.

Hence, why I never made it. Read my post. And what about your statement on Denmark preparing to join the Euro collaboration? Are you still hanging on to that?

Btw. thanks for calling me ignorant and disinterested. It's been a while since I last got that thrown at me in here - kinda forgot how nice it is.

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Originally posted by George Smiley But Denmark isn't outside of the economic union or there'd be no point being a member! (You mean the Euro too! )

Yeah, mea culpa. In Denmark we never refer to the Euro project as "the Euro". It goes by the name of the "economic monetary union", which I guess caused the confusion.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Hail to my brother from Denmark! (No offense but see what I mean about the Euro populace's ignorance/apathy/disinterest on the EU even in their own countries?)

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And what makes you think the EU is primarily a military alliance? That's a bit of farsical statement!

He never said anything like the EU is primarily a military alliance!

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One of the things that makes the EU so "noble" is its institutionalized pacifism.

What do you mean "institutionalised pacifism"? Cos the EU has a military capability and is currently improving it

Get a load of this mate:[quote]
http://www.eurocoins.co.uk/denmark.html[/quote
I dont think that's official it looks more like a collectors website (hence the British coins as well) The UK does plan to join the Euro (not sure bout Denmark) but not until the time is right for us

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu LOL: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1 Euro = 1.53950 Swiss Franc 1 Swiss Franc (CHF) = 0.64956 Euro (EUR)

I have a feeling you also looked up the pound v. the Euro too.

Exchange rate is not everything:

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Switzerland is a peaceful, prosperous, and stable modern market economy with low unemployment, a highly skilled labor force, and a per capita GDP larger than that of the big Western European economies. The Swiss in recent years have brought their economic practices largely into conformity with the EU's to enhance their international competitiveness. Switzerland remains a safe haven for investors, because it has maintained a degree of bank secrecy and has kept up the franc's long-term external value. Reflecting the anemic economic conditions of Europe, GDP growth dropped in 2001 to about 0.8%, to 0.2% in 2002, and to -0.3% in 2003, with a small rise to 1.8% in 2004. Even so, unemployment has remained at less than half the EU average.

source: CIA WorldFact Book: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...os/sz.html#Econ

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Originally posted by trancaholic Hence, why I never made it. Read my post. And what about your statement on Denmark preparing to join the Euro collaboration? Are you still hanging on to that?

Don't take offense, mate (and I won't take offense at your insinuation that I can't know what going on in the EU 'because I'm Canadian').

My apologies. You seemed to be indicating that Denmark didn't want to be in the EU due to its experiences in NATO. (If you didn't however make it, I'm baffled at your comparing NATO and military matters to the situation with the EU?)

BTW: Did you look at the link?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Btw. thanks for calling me ignorant and disinterested. It's been a while since I last got that thrown at me in here - kinda forgot how nice it is.

I didn't say *you* were ignorant and disinterested. "Read my post." I said the general EU populace was apathetic with regard to the EU, and therefore generally ignorant and disinterested (reference your mea culpa). I don't mean to use a negative connotation to the word, merely the "uninformed" aspect of "ignorant."

Cheers,
-Noble

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Originally posted by Yoepus I have a feeling you also looked up the pound v. the Euro too.

Oh, everyone knows the British currency is the strongest currency in the world, I didn't need to look it up. You however don't seem to have the first clue about that of the Swiss, re:

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Originally posted by Yoepus Exchange rate is not everything:

Oh please.

Why are you on this forum? lol

I've observed you trolling a fair bit in past threads; you wouldn't be the resident troll would you? (someone else please advise).

Thanks.
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu LOL: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1 Euro = 1.53950 Swiss Franc 1 Swiss Franc (CHF) = 0.64956 Euro (EUR) Median price = 1.53920 / 1.53950 (bid/ask) Minimum price = 1.53600 / 1.53640 Maximum price = 1.54000 / 1.5403

LOL, of all the BS you wrote i find this the funniest!

Exchange rates like that doesnt mean shit if you didnt know it. There are 5 swedish kronor on a canadian dollar, does that mean that the canadian dollar is 5 times as good as the the swedish currency? Or is the euro almost twice as good as the canadian dollar?

Why do you have this anti EU constitution obsession btw, you dont seem to know a lot

FYI:

Countries in the EU
Belgium
France
Germany
Italy
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Denmark
Ireland
the United Kingdom
Greece
Portugal
Spain
Austria
Finland
Sweden
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Estonia
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Poland
Slovakia
Slovenia

Members of stage 3 EMU (they use the euro as their currency)
Belgium
France
Germany
Italy
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Ireland
Greece
Portugal
Spain
Austria
Finland

Members of the EEC (Im not sure this is the name in english tho?)
Norway
Iceland
Lichtenstein

Switzzerland (im pretty sure) is not a member of EEC, but ratifies every new treaty by itself. They are part of the free trade agreements (rome treaty) and just passed the schengen treaty tho!

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu BTW: Did you look at the link?

Yes, very interesting:

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Danish Euro Pattern Coins Fantasy Only - Yet! First Danish Euro Coin Designs Denmark & The Euro We believe that Denmark will eventually join the Euro, along with about a dozen other countries. Although the Danish National Bank produced a set of images for possible Danish euro coins, it is not known whether any official plans have been made to turn these designs into the real thing, or even into a pattern for a set.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Oh, everyone knows the British currency is the strongest currency in the world, I didn't need to look it up.

Err yea.. hence the insulting nature of my comment or should I say "woosh!" (as in the sound of something going by really quick over your head)

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Why are you on this forum? lol

Same reason as everyone pinky - my real life an't cool enough.

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I've observed you trolling a fair bit in past threads; you wouldn't be the resident troll would you? (someone else please advise).

Actually I'm the resident n00bi basher.

Now shoo!

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu I'm baffled at your comparing NATO and military matters to the situation with the EU?

Because Denmark does not want to take part in the Euro (EMU) and it also does not want to take part in EU military operations (as, like the UK, Denmark believes NATO should remain the primary security actor in Europe. Denmark also has reservations over an EU with a military capacity as it believes the EU should be a civilian power)

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I didn't say *you* were ignorant and disinterested. "Read my post." I said the general EU populace was apathetic with regard to the EU, and therefore generally ignorant and disinterested (reference your mea culpa). I don't mean to use a negative connotation to the word, merely the "uninformed" aspect of "ignorant." Cheers, -Noble

Thats funny shit! Someone ignorant and uninformed about the EU having a go at people for being, yep, ignorant and uninformed about the EU!

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Originally posted by Yoepus Same reason as everyone pinky - my real life an't cool enough.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Same reason as everyone pinky - my real life an't cool enough. Actually I'm the resident n00bi basher.

nice response Yoepus.

@TheNobleEu: You've really got a knack for being irritating/pissing people off.

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