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Posted by Soliman on Jun-19-2005 22:20:

Unhappy Is this the end???

hi guys,
I've been reading that alot of big name djs are switching to live...
So is this the end of "hands on djing"???
if not
Is this the end of vinyl???

Peace,
Soliman


Posted by Boomer187 on Jun-19-2005 22:28:

i am not up to date on this whoel live thing, but I am pretty sure they still need hands to work it.

so I wouldn't worry about handless djs taking over.


Posted by Soliman on Jun-19-2005 22:33:

it wasn't ment in that way lol


Posted by NuDarkBeat on Jun-20-2005 03:56:

actually from what information i have gathered the new "In" thing is dj's using their feet. Should pop up some interesting mixing techniques


Posted by Freak on Jun-20-2005 09:27:

no
and no


Posted by djwright on Jun-20-2005 13:25:

it may be the end for all of you but ill still be here waving 12 inches of fun in your face


Posted by Vyper0987 on Jun-20-2005 15:00:

quote:
Originally posted by djwright
it may be the end for all of you but ill still be here waving 12 inches of fun in your face


haha...gross.


Posted by Psionic on Jun-20-2005 16:38:

Jeez, people see Sasha and Richie Hawtin switching to it and think EVERY DJ is moving to Live.


Posted by jdat on Jun-20-2005 16:47:

just because 0.01% of the djs are changing doesn't mean it's the end


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-20-2005 17:10:

And why isn't Live "hands on"? Sasha isn't using clicking a mouse while staring into a screen (aka some "traktor" DJ's), he has a BIG (and I mean big) hardware controller, which is the only interface that makes sense.

CDJ's are accepted now in the DJ world. What we'll see soon are boxes that work and look like CDJ's, but with computers as the backend. The real innovation will come in the form of better control interfaces.

Sound pretty nice to me.

Although I was out last night and the DJ didn't even put carts on the TT's, just used CDJ's all night. That's a sad site even though he was rocking it.


Posted by Unknown DJ on Jun-20-2005 19:10:

No. But CD's are...


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jun-20-2005 20:04:

quote:
Originally posted by jdat
just because 0.01% of the djs are changing doesn't mean it's the end


lets rephrase that: just because the "big-name jocks" who are all about the money are ditching vinyl to play CDs, doesnt mean anyone with a little roots would.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-20-2005 20:13:

It has nothing to do with "roots" and "tradition". Big name jocks get tracks before they get pressed, so yeah they burn and use CD's.

And everyone knows getting hung up on a media type is childish.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jun-20-2005 20:31:

they could have those tracks pressed to vinyl real easy. its not that big of a deal.

regardless, some of us do respect the traditional sound, feel, required skill etc etc associated with vinyl.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-20-2005 20:46:

Those of us that spin both don't really see much of a difference as far as difficulty... Some people have this assumption that a CDJ does a bunch of stuff for you automatically, when it really doesn't do much more than a TT (looping, hot cues, storing cue points, are all minor conveniences).

And getting vinyl pressed in small quantities is absurdly expensive. And dub plates only last a few plays. So yes it is a big deal.


Posted by erdega on Jun-20-2005 23:00:

anybody cares to explain in dumbed down terms how "live" operates and how do you dj with it?
Sorry I am just a bit uninitited and not afraid to admit it


Posted by jupiterone on Jun-20-2005 23:06:

ya im also interested


Posted by jupiterone on Jun-20-2005 23:07:

its 500$ to get a track pressed on a vinyl...prices ive seen, dont think someones gonna go out and get a track pressed jsut cause its traditional


Posted by Axolotyl on Jun-21-2005 01:07:

quote:
Originally posted by erdega
anybody cares to explain in dumbed down terms how "live" operates and how do you dj with it?
Sorry I am just a bit uninitited and not afraid to admit it


Live is a loop based sequencer with midi in/out capabilities.

On the input you can attatch anything from a USB DJ mixer, a midi keyboard or a midi controller such as a mixing desk, knob bank or anything else out there that transmits midi. These can be set up to use anything from effects like flangers, delays to the parameters on a synth.

On the output you can attatch hardware synths, samplers or VST (software) synths or samplebanks. You can also sync up audio tracks in one of its many (ie: more than two) channels. I think this is what all the fuss is about and why people see this as a threat to DJing or something?!?!

Its not that different from cubase or any other sequencer out there other than the fact that its incredibly stable and embraces a new ethos in music production and live performance. Its easy to use, very configurable and the workflow is unlike anything before it. Its
basically a jamming oriented audio production and playback facility that is stable enough not to stutter or choke on playback like a lot of other sequencers. Producers, especially amateur ones are ditching cubase in droves in preferance for it (me being one of them!!)

Every week in this forum, theres someone who has never looked it or even installed it freaking out that its the end of the DJ or some such bullshit. I usually find these are vinyl DJs who are just looking for some other piece of technology to lash out at. Frankly these people dont know what they are talking about and are just getting on the hype wagon. Who cares what Sasha is doing with it? There are a shitload more artists (particularly psy ones) out there using it to sequence up their performance with audio, live synths and samples and midi controllers. Frankly, I find that a whole lot more interesting than what some big jock DJ is doing with a couple of pissy audio tracks.

Live doesnt give a toss about DJs. Live is doing its own thing and will make its own mark on the EDM scene.

=)


Posted by jupiterone on Jun-21-2005 02:24:

w00t Axo, you are the man


Posted by Boomer187 on Jun-21-2005 02:40:

so we don't have to worry about handless dj's taking over :P.


hehe.


Posted by Axolotyl on Jun-21-2005 02:54:

quote:
Originally posted by jupiterone
w00t Axo, you are the man


Hey, someone asked for it!!


Posted by mzvirbulis on Jun-21-2005 06:06:

no for god sakes!

although i see SERATO SCRATCH having a big impact,

for me VINYL, TIME CODED VINYL WITH SERAT0 SCRATCH, CDDJ'S AND USE OF ABLETON i think will do for the time being.

it certainly will not mean the end....


Posted by NuDarkBeat on Jun-21-2005 23:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Axolotyl
Live is a loop based sequencer with midi in/out capabilities.

On the input you can attatch anything from a USB DJ mixer, a midi keyboard or a midi controller such as a mixing desk, knob bank or anything else out there that transmits midi. These can be set up to use anything from effects like flangers, delays to the parameters on a synth.

On the output you can attatch hardware synths, samplers or VST (software) synths or samplebanks. You can also sync up audio tracks in one of its many (ie: more than two) channels. I think this is what all the fuss is about and why people see this as a threat to DJing or something?!?!

Its not that different from cubase or any other sequencer out there other than the fact that its incredibly stable and embraces a new ethos in music production and live performance. Its easy to use, very configurable and the workflow is unlike anything before it. Its
basically a jamming oriented audio production and playback facility that is stable enough not to stutter or choke on playback like a lot of other sequencers. Producers, especially amateur ones are ditching cubase in droves in preferance for it (me being one of them!!)

Every week in this forum, theres someone who has never looked it or even installed it freaking out that its the end of the DJ or some such bullshit. I usually find these are vinyl DJs who are just looking for some other piece of technology to lash out at. Frankly these people dont know what they are talking about and are just getting on the hype wagon. Who cares what Sasha is doing with it? There are a shitload more artists (particularly psy ones) out there using it to sequence up their performance with audio, live synths and samples and midi controllers. Frankly, I find that a whole lot more interesting than what some big jock DJ is doing with a couple of pissy audio tracks.

Live doesnt give a toss about DJs. Live is doing its own thing and will make its own mark on the EDM scene.

=)


where did you copy paste that from!!!


Posted by Rhue on Jun-23-2005 03:43:

Relax, as long as i hold onto Vinyls they will survive...



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