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From the Financial Times

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Bush makes headway on transatlantic breach George W Bush in EuropeSix months after President George W. Bush set out to repair the transatlantic breach that arose in his first term, Monday's summit in Washington with European leaders gave the strongest sign yet that he has succeeded. Jos� Manuel Barroso, the European Commission president, said following his meeting with Mr Bush: �It was a very relaxed, informal meeting with a sincere and frank exchange of views. That's the spirit I like to see between the US and Europe, the spirit of openness.� There was no sign of disagreement over any of the major issues on the agenda, including Iraq, Iran, and the Middle East peace process. And for the first time since the September 11 terrorist attacks, the mundane details of managing the huge trans-atlantic economic relationship from regulatory co-operation to trade were again the subject of high-level discussion. The rapprochement comes after months of determined efforts by Washington. Mr Bush set reconciliation with Europe as his top foreign policy priority after hisre-election in November and became the first US president to visit the European Commission and Council. Simon Serfaty, senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said after the Iraq campaign, which divided Europe into supporters and opponents of the US �coalition of the willing', �Bush went out of his way to show that he didn't just want to deal with European states one at a time but with the union as a whole�. A senior state department official said the US was �clearly and unambiguously� offering partnership with Europe. �Thank goodness we are well past the divisive differences over Iraq. Those are about the past,� he said, pointing to �the spectacular results� in working together on Ukraine and the close co-operation with France over Lebanon that resulted in a UN Security Council resolution and the withdrawal of Syrian forces. Mr Barroso was similarly conciliatory. �The truth is alone the US cannot go ahead with the programmes they have and neither can the EU,� he said. �There are some differences, it's true, but basically we share the same values.� On Iraq, he said, �what is happening in Europe is a great will to overcome the differences of the past. We are all trying to work together and it is in the interests of the Iraqi people and of Europe to have a stable and democratic Iraq, so it is not useful to comment on past differences.� While the tone of the US-European relationship is now the most positive since Mr Bush first took office in 2001 it will be tested greatly in the next several months. Mr Serfaty says that while Mr Bush has reached out to Europe, �he is still waiting for the Europeans to deliver�, particularly by playing a greater non-military role in Iraq that might help the US make gains against the insurgency. The big US fear is that Europe's internal crises will make it an unreliable partner just when the US badly needs European help. Mr Bush made it clearthat he wants �a strong European Union as a partner in spreading freedom and democracy and security and prosperity�. �At the very moment Bush is re-engaging the EU,� Mr Serfaty said, �the EU might be missing in action.�

It seems to me that this is yet another example of EU-leaders being drastically unaware of the movements in the populations they represent. When I speak to Danes, they definately feel no bigger love for Bush today than they did a year ago. And they have no lust for taking on a bigger role in the cleaning up of Iraq.
But maybe we're especially good at remembering offence. How do you feel - are relations better today than, say, six months ago? And if so, why did this come about?

no iam still surrounded by stupid ppl who feel that the iraq war was justified because they posed a serious threat to us.
and frankly many europeans don't like americans not even the british. But is it more against Bush or the ppl of america(have i fallen victim to fox saying ppl don't like americans)

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid (have i fallen victim to fox saying ppl don't like americans)

No

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Originally posted by George Smiley No

what are u saying no to?huh punk

You know summat? I quoted your entire post but went back and edited it so you'd know what I was sayin no to and you still dont know!!

so wait! what was the no to!

FFS! This is one of the reasons I replied "no" cos Americans are soooooo fookin stupid!!!

true i no but r u any different!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid true i no but r u any different!!!!!!!

Yep!

i insist that u desist to insist

On topic: I think its good that eu helps out with the mess the US and their coalition of the willing created in Iraq. Not because I think we should help the US, but because the ppl of Iraq really need help. Unforunetly this will probably lead to the US saying in the end "look we were right next time stfu", which is unfortunate since its not true, but oh well, guess that price is a small price to pay to help out some ppl that need help.

It's all about moving on and it's good i guess, although it is bad too. And as usually people are slower to react to things than politicans, so no suprises here.

What is this? All this hatred towards Americans. All of you Euros, who were the ones that started WWI and WWII? And who had to go up there to save your ass? Thank you. We went into Iraq believing that Saddam had WMD, as we know now he didnt but there is evidenve that he was thinking IN STARTING THE PROGRAMM, Americans biggest fear was that terrorist organizations would have laid their hands on such weapons. In a way i disagree with the war, first, we did not go there with a legal base, but we got rid of a ruthless dictator. I am so glad for the Iraqi people that they are Finally free, a new type of govt will be presented to them, a new type of life in which fear wont be a part of their normal life( in terms that they would be assasinate for diff believes) Americans are not stupid. There is this hatred towards this great country..... Only because they are the most powerful. People tell me this, when there is a big catastrophe who are the first ones to send aid to that nation? Yeah thats what i thought Some peep here get misguided by the media..... Americans are stupid when our govt system is one of the best

To judge an entire country of people as one of the same is just so beyond my comprehension. I hope that I nobody that posts here judges me or any other American to be a dumb yankee simply because of our poor leadership, and a shaddy businessman buying the worlds greeatest sports team. Uh, we really have been striking out since 2000.

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Originally posted by arnoldjch What is this? All this hatred towards Americans. All of you Euros, who were the ones that started WWI and WWII? And who had to go up there to save your ass? Thank you. We went into Iraq believing that Saddam had WMD, as we know now he didnt but there is evidenve that he was thinking IN STARTING THE PROGRAMM, Americans biggest fear was that terrorist organizations would have laid their hands on such weapons. In a way i disagree with the war, first, we did not go there with a legal base, but we got rid of a ruthless dictator. I am so glad for the Iraqi people that they are Finally free, a new type of govt will be presented to them, a new type of life in which fear wont be a part of their normal life( in terms that they would be assasinate for diff believes) Americans are not stupid. There is this hatred towards this great country..... Only because they are the most powerful. People tell me this, when there is a big catastrophe who are the first ones to send aid to that nation? Yeah thats what i thought Some peep here get misguided by the media..... Americans are stupid when our govt system is one of the best

Ok, first of all, you only saved France and UK in the WW1, and if you didn't do that, there probably wouldn't have been a WW2. Secondly, you knew Saddam didn't have any WMDs, because you had no evidence to support that claim whatsoever, and you did not want to let the weapons inspectors in. Third, don't you realize that like 50-100 iraqis get killed on the streets every day? What fuckin freedom is that?

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Originally posted by arnoldjch What is this? All this hatred towards Americans. All of you Euros, who were the ones that started WWI and WWII? And who had to go up there to save your ass? Thank you. We went into Iraq believing that Saddam had WMD, as we know now he didnt but there is evidenve that he was thinking IN STARTING THE PROGRAMM, Americans biggest fear was that terrorist organizations would have laid their hands on such weapons. In a way i disagree with the war, first, we did not go there with a legal base, but we got rid of a ruthless dictator. I am so glad for the Iraqi people that they are Finally free, a new type of govt will be presented to them, a new type of life in which fear wont be a part of their normal life( in terms that they would be assasinate for diff believes) Americans are not stupid. There is this hatred towards this great country..... Only because they are the most powerful. People tell me this, when there is a big catastrophe who are the first ones to send aid to that nation? Yeah thats what i thought Some peep here get misguided by the media..... Americans are stupid when our govt system is one of the best

Calm down calm down! I was only joking! And it would have stopped after my first post if metalgearsolid wasn't so stupid as not to understand what I meant!

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Originally posted by kush paintings To judge an entire country of people as one of the same is just so beyond my comprehension. I hope that I nobody that posts here judges me or any other American to be a dumb yankee simply because of our poor leadership, and a shaddy businessman buying the worlds greeatest sports team. Uh, we really have been striking out since 2000.

That's what all you dumb yanks say

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Ok, first of all, you only saved France and UK in the WW1, and if you didn't do that, there probably wouldn't have been a WW2. Secondly, you knew Saddam didn't have any WMDs, because you had no evidence to support that claim whatsoever, and you did not want to let the weapons inspectors in. Third, don't you realize that like 50-100 iraqis get killed on the streets every day? What fuckin freedom is that?

To be fair, to the people who orchestrated the Iraq war it was irrelevant whether or not Saddam had WMDs, what was relevant was that they believed he would get WMDs in the future if he didn't have them already

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Originally posted by kush paintings and a shaddy businessman buying the worlds greeatest sports team.

That DOES make you look dumb cos everyone knows Sheff Utd are the greatest sports team! And there's no ginger **** buying them!

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Originally posted by St_Andrew On topic: I think its good that eu helps out with the mess the US and their coalition of the willing created in Iraq. Not because I think we should help the US, but because the ppl of Iraq really need help. Unforunetly this will probably lead to the US saying in the end "look we were right next time stfu", which is unfortunate since its not true, but oh well, guess that price is a small price to pay to help out some ppl that need help. It's all about moving on and it's good i guess, although it is bad too. And as usually people are slower to react to things than politicans, so no suprises here.

Great post. It's hard to disagree with you. However, you didn't answer the real question: "Have Swedes taken to Bush"? And if so: "What caused this"?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Saddam didn't have any WMDs, because you had no evidence to support that claim whatsoever, and you did not want to let the weapons inspectors in. Third, don't you realize that like 50-100 iraqis get killed on the streets every day? What fuckin freedom is that?

Man you dont know what your talking about. First when it came to gather intelligence about WMD's there was a miscommunication between the CIA and FBI, their intelligence was WRONG and each agency was giving in diff info to the Bush administration... In which he had to make a decision over going into the war. and since the 9/11 report was released the two agencies have now to work together over terrorism etc.... the CIA and FBI dont like each other, thats why we FAILED to give intel over if Saddam had WMD.
Yes many Iraqis die daily, in the long process they would will see the final result. FREEDOM IN NOT FREE MY FRIEND!

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Originally posted by arnoldjch Man you dont know what your talking about. First when it came to gather intelligence about WMD's there was a miscommunication between the CIA and FBI, their intelligence was WRONG and each agency was giving in diff info to the Bush administration... In which he had to make a decision over going into the war. and since the 9/11 report was released the two agencies have now to work together over terrorism etc.... the CIA and FBI dont like each other, thats why we FAILED to give intel over if Saddam had WMD. Yes many Iraqis die daily, in the long process they would will see the final result. FREEDOM IN NOT FREE MY FRIEND!

Why would the FBI be involved with gathering intelligence about Iraqi WMDs?? Do you mean they didn't communicate over 9/11?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Great post. It's hard to disagree with you. However, you didn't answer the real question: "Have Swedes taken to Bush"? And if so: "What caused this"?

Well, my point was to tell my personal opinion why i agree with the european commision, and also i said that people are usually slower than politicans on issues. i guess what i tried to say was that no, ppl arent that much more bush friendly (although i think they are somewhat more now), but ppl will soon start to forget and move on, as the politicans have already done. As to what caused it, simply that ppl forget, and that there really is no point in constantly thinking of the past... but perhaps we should get a "im sorry i was wrong about iraq" from bush before we forgive him and move on...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Why would the FBI be involved with gathering intelligence about Iraqi WMDs?? Do you mean they didn't communicate over 9/11?

The U.S had been warned that there might have been a possible attack on American soil, but the FBI failed to investigate the case(knowing that they were alqaeda members in America)

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Originally posted by George Smiley Calm down calm down! I was only joking! And it would have stopped after my first post if metalgearsolid wasn't so stupid as not to understand what I meant!

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Originally posted by arnoldjch The U.S had been warned that there might have been a possible attack on American soil, but the FBI failed to investigate the case(knowing that they were alqaeda members in America)

No you said a clash between the CIA and FBI was the reason America failed to get intelligence on Iraqi WMDs, and I asked why the FBI would have anything to do with collecting intelligence about Iraq?

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