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Posted by inflight101 on Jun-23-2005 03:24:

Question about beatmatching

I've been using some software on my PC to try and learn how to beatmatch. But it seems like the software simulates CD decks and not ones for vinyl.

On vinyl decks, will there be a cue button, or does that only appear on cd decks? The software that I'm using allows me to cue a song, let it play and when I press the cue button I go straight back to the point I cued the track at. But I'm guessing you can't do that on vinyl, or am I wrong? Can someone set me straight?

Posted by jupiterone on Jun-23-2005 03:58:

turntables dont have cue buttons..hehe...you have to adjust where oy want it with the tone arm.cd players haev that cue button

Posted by inflight101 on Jun-23-2005 04:05:

So basically on vinyl, you have to cue up a track and let it go when the time is right? And if youre off you have to cue it up again with the tone arm?

Posted by Tranc3 on Jun-23-2005 05:15:

Posted by Vlad on Jun-23-2005 05:41:

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Originally posted by inflight101
So basically on vinyl, you have to cue up a track and let it go when the time is right? And if youre off you have to cue it up again with the tone arm?

Not necessarily just let it go, what I think most people do is "ride the beat". Which means, you cue up to the beat you want to transition from, and you ride it back and forth with the song coming out. And when you reach the part of the out going track when you feel youre ready to transition out, you let the incoming track go, sometimes it wont be perfectly matched with the outgoing track, so you adjust the pitch alittle (or some like to lightly slow down the vinyl by hand) accordingly (faster or slower) to match it back up with the outgoing track.

Posted by retrobyte on Jun-23-2005 06:04:

when I'm doing vinyl, I usually let it play until the first kick hits - then I stop it, and slowly rewind it until it's at the point just before the kick starts. then I hold it until I need it to play, then I just let go then pitch-shift accordingly.

Posted by Ryan0751 on Jun-23-2005 13:31:

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Originally posted by Tranc3
Cue up the needle, then hit the start/stop button once it's time. Yeah what you said is pretty much it.

Ack, don't do it THAT way. Depending on the table, there's an amount of time for it to get up to full speed (even Technics). Better yet, hold the record with your hand and release it at the right instant.

Posted by Driguez on Jun-23-2005 14:37:

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Originally posted by Ryan0751
Ack, don't do it THAT way. Depending on the table, there's an amount of time for it to get up to full speed (even Technics). Better yet, hold the record with your hand and release it at the right instant.

yup +1

Posted by Basstard on Jun-23-2005 16:06:

and dont worry if u dont catch it on beat when u throw it in. just ride the pitch until u get it matched again. ive seen loads of ppl havin a go on my decks thinking if the beats arnt in line when they first thru the record in they have to re-cue

Posted by Tranc3 on Jun-23-2005 17:53:

Posted by Basilf1 on Jun-24-2005 00:08:

I made I switch like that a couple months ago. I found this website helpful because you can see him mix with a pair of techs.

http://www.andyhunter.com/howto.aspx

Posted by inflight101 on Jun-24-2005 04:58:

Once again, good advice! Thanks guys!

Posted by inflight101 on Jun-24-2005 05:49:

Ok, so I can now get about within 0.3 BPM of beatmatching tunes in about one minute. After that I can't really tell untill about 30 seconds have passed.

Mind you I'm only using Traktor for PC, which seems dificult. I don't have the proper soundcard so I hear both tunes through my comptuer speakers and its difficult to establish what's going faster and what's gong slower. Also, you can't slow down/speed up the track and adjust the pitch at the same time on that program.

Maybe its time to invest in some techs!

Posted by s3nate on Jun-24-2005 06:03:

If you want to cheat in traktor you could always press "sync" on the track your mixing into.

Posted by inflight101 on Jun-24-2005 06:06:

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Originally posted by s3nate
If you want to cheat in traktor you could always press "sync" on the track your mixing into.

That's the thing I don't want to cheat. I acutally put tape on my monitor where Traktor displays BPM so I could learn to hear it. Its going ok, but sometimes I think I'll never get there. Guess I just need to practice more.