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Posted by Inertia on Jun-24-2005 20:20:

Angry 5 cool points to...

ANYONE who can mix:

T. Raumschmiere - Koenig Shuffle (pt. 2)
[side b2 on shitkatapult 048, VA - Musick to Play in the Club]

into anything. yes. this thing is impossible. the bassline and the kick are as one. i've only heard Jerry Abstract (also has a track on that release) try it and he sort of did fuck up, yes. i've not even heard Raumschmiere try, granted, he's not much of a good mixer, but if not even the producer wants to have a go, it say a lot.

sucks, cuz i love this track. mmmm, electro.


Posted by djsnazzy on Jun-24-2005 20:58:

any chance of uploading it so we can have a listen


Posted by Inertia on Jun-24-2005 21:43:

that's just it, when i got this track, after listening to it, i was in love. and the structure sounded so simple, a 4x4.

when you listen to it with another track, you start going crazy. i'll see if i can find a sample...

yes. junorecords hosts this: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF169171-01-01-03.mp3


Posted by Cosmic Realm on Jun-24-2005 23:37:

that track kind of reminds me of Jackal & Hyde or J-Break...
you should check some of they're stuff out if youv got a moment


Posted by Timski on Jun-25-2005 00:51:

This track is awesome... I love Raumschmiere's stuff but havent heard this track till just now.... Hunting for a copy on vinyl... when i gets it i will see how tricky it is...


Posted by tvmann on Jun-25-2005 19:10:

I checked out that track sample. It is 4 beats per bar except at 15 seconds there is a 2 beat bar, which is a 2 beat break, and then he restarts the 4 beat bars. So this track sample segment is unusual in that it contains one bar of 2 beats that can mess up your timing if you are trying to mix in something when that short 2 beat bar happens. Almost everything in EDM is always 4 beats per bar and the breakdowns are usually multiples of 4 beats in length. Assuming there are several of those 2 beat bars in the full Raumschmiere track, that could throw you off.

The BPM is constant at 127.03. But a slightly unusual thing is the drumbeat does not always occur exactly on the beat - so there is very small breakbeat characteristic that could sound "off" when you are mixing or transitioning to another track. There's probably a word for that slight timing variation - I don't think it's syncopation, I looked it up and that's not it.


Posted by RJT on Jun-25-2005 19:54:

Nice track - Definitely turned me on to a new (to me) Producer...

I can definitely sympathize - I have never once successfully mixed Petter's "Tone Diary..."

Good luck bro, sorry I can't be more helpful beyond empathy


Posted by on Jun-25-2005 21:13:

I used the sample you have provided and was somewhat able to make it sound OK with Alter Ego - Rockre (Erol Alkans Deaf Disco Revied)


Posted by DannyO on Jun-25-2005 21:42:

Anybody got a better longer clip, I kinda got this down, mixing it with Tall Paul - Rock Da House, not the best track to mix with, but its the only one I got with a similar sound, I just need it longer, even mixing fromt the start, 1 min isn't enough, it too fast of a transition.


Posted by Inertia on Jun-26-2005 00:51:

quote:
Originally posted by tvmann
I checked out that track sample. It is 4 beats per bar except at 15 seconds there is a 2 beat bar, which is a 2 beat break, and then he restarts the 4 beat bars. So this track sample segment is unusual in that it contains one bar of 2 beats that can mess up your timing if you are trying to mix in something when that short 2 beat bar happens. Almost everything in EDM is always 4 beats per bar and the breakdowns are usually multiples of 4 beats in length. Assuming there are several of those 2 beat bars in the full Raumschmiere track, that could throw you off.

The BPM is constant at 127.03. But a slightly unusual thing is the drumbeat does not always occur exactly on the beat - so there is very small breakbeat characteristic that could sound "off" when you are mixing or transitioning to another track. There's probably a word for that slight timing variation - I don't think it's syncopation, I looked it up and that's not it.


exactly. when i mix it, it's like it's pitched, but no it's not, but, yet is it. ok, so it's not synced? no wait. it is. no wait, it's not. no... fuck you. DIE RAUMSCHMIERE DIE! but he makes good shit. yes. this is good. fuck. there's a trainwreck going for 30 seconds now...


Posted by Nsonic on Jun-26-2005 02:58:

it sounds a bit swingy

cool song ^_^


Posted by Tranc3 on Jun-26-2005 18:54:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RJT
Nice track - Definitely turned me on to a new (to me) Producer...

I can definitely sympathize - I have never once successfully mixed Petter's "Tone Diary..."

Good luck bro, sorry I can't be more helpful beyond empathy


http://www.sitesled.com/members/edo...one%20Diary.MP3

The actual mixing sucks ass, as I've only had tables for a week, but I think the beatmatching is there, which is what I assume you were talking about.


Posted by Inertia on Jun-26-2005 19:46:

i can do tonediary easy. you're probably just having trouble getting used to breaks, the whole "drumbeat not on the actual beat" thing. once you get with the program, you'll be able to mix track without even noticing they're breaks or 4/4.


Posted by RJT on Jun-26-2005 19:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Inertia
i can do tonediary easy. you're probably just having trouble getting used to breaks, the whole "drumbeat not on the actual beat" thing. once you get with the program, you'll be able to mix track without even noticing they're breaks or 4/4.


Yep dude, hate to admit it, but I have a ROUGH time with breaks... Love em, but I just suck with em...


Posted by TwoPlow on Jun-26-2005 22:56:

I don't even think about whether a song is breaks or not anymore. If it's breaks, use the clap/snare on the 2.

Inertia, judging from what I understand of your tastes, I highly suggest that you check out Raumschmiere's first release, the Bolzplatz ep, if you haven't already. The A-side is weak, but the b-side is certifiably the hotness. FC Kahuna's remix of Ils - No Soul on Marine Parade as well.

Cheers.


Posted by Inertia on Jun-27-2005 00:24:

ooh. i caned the fuck out of Bolzplatz. and still do. Monstertruckdriver as well, but ever since that came out on the 4th Season, i've been reluctant to show it around much.



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