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Question about a recess article

This is pulled directly from the "basic mixing" portion of the recess site.

"Instead of touching the side of the deck to slow it down or pushing the label to make it go faster, a lot of people just use the pitch fader, decrease/increase the pitch until the records are in time, then return it to the original position. The only problem with this is that it's tricky to get the pitch fader EXACTLY back to the original position - unless that position was the 0 pitch mark of course."

The bold portion is what I am having a hard time comprehending. If I speed a record up using pitch, I can definately align the beats. however, once they are alligned I can't change the pitch again like this article is saying can I? If I move the pitch after I finally have the beat aligned, won't it throw everything off?

You do this if you want to pitch bend. If the two tracks are set up to the same tempo, but one of the tracks are a little bit after, you hear a thump-thump, you pitchbend so they get all syncrhonized and sweet.

So, if you increase the pitch on one of the track, if that track is a little too early, yes, you have to set it back to the pitcfh it was in before you pitchbended. Make sense? try it, it'll make more sense if you do.

btw. to get the pitch rigth again after you do this, as stated in the article it can be difficult, use this method:

squeze the pitchcontrol between your thumb and middlefingre, not moving the pitchcontrol as you do this. Then, if you want to increase the pitch, release the middlefingre and move the pitchcontrol up using you indexfingre. If you don't move your thumb at all when doing this, the thumb will act as a markeur. And to get the pitch back excactly where it was before you start, you just have to move the pitchcontrol to you thumb again. Now, this make sense? Of course, if you want to decrease the pitch you do the same but release the thumb instead of the middlefingre.

sweet...

And the best way to learn is to try before questioning. A lot of these stuff are illusive obvious things, that just seem total bullcrap at first, but then when you try it, and practice a bit, it will make more sense than anything ever did. So bear with this crap, and you will understand it fully within a decade or so.

Ive got about a week before my tables get here so ill ask one more thing. Lets say that the vinyl on table A is at a faster BPM than table B. So, I use my finger on the bumpy portion of the deck on table A to create resistance and slow the vinyl down to match the BPM of table B. Now that the beats are sounding all nice, I've got a problem. When I release my finger from the deck, the deck should speed up to the original BPM bringing me back to the same problem I started with.

I'll wait till I get the tables to ask anymore questions. I'm just really anxious, and after playing with my friends tables for about 15 minuets...I can't wait. I've already bought a few nu nrg, tiesto, and solid globe vinyls and i dont even have tables!

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Originally posted by xstalkrx Ive got about a week before my tables get here so ill ask one more thing. Lets say that the vinyl on table A is at a faster BPM than table B. So, I use my finger on the bumpy portion of the deck on table A to create resistance and slow the vinyl down to match the BPM of table B. Now that the beats are sounding all nice, I've got a problem. When I release my finger from the deck, the deck should speed up to the original BPM bringing me back to the same problem I started with.

yeah, then you pitch it down to keep them in line. the faster the beats go out of sync, the bigger the pitch adjustment youll have to make. youll get the same advice from anyone: PRACTICE. theres no EASY way round it (tho we all fantasise about that before we actually start)

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Originally posted by xstalkrx I've already bought a few nu nrg...and i dont even have tables!

hehe, nice that was me 18 months ago

ok i lied im asking another question.

why dont people just use the pitch control to beatmatch? Why even touch the vinyl to slow it down or speed it up?

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Originally posted by xstalkrx Ive got about a week before my tables get here so ill ask one more thing. Lets say that the vinyl on table A is at a faster BPM than table B. So, I use my finger on the bumpy portion of the deck on table A to create resistance and slow the vinyl down to match the BPM of table B. Now that the beats are sounding all nice, I've got a problem. When I release my finger from the deck, the deck should speed up to the original BPM bringing me back to the same problem I started with. I'll wait till I get the tables to ask anymore questions. I'm just really anxious, and after playing with my friends tables for about 15 minuets...I can't wait. I've already bought a few nu nrg, tiesto, and solid globe vinyls and i dont even have tables!

I make it a rule not to touch the outgoing record (i.e. the one I'm mixing into) at least until I've almost go the other record all the way mixed in. If I need to make changes to one or the other I'll do it to the one that has less elements playing so it won't be noticeable if at ll.

As far as why people don't use the pitch control solely, well, it takes a bit more finesse and practice to get it to work well, and it can get away from you really easy if you don't know wtf you're doing with it. This is coming from experience. Think of pitch bending as a finer form of adjustment. You're only going to really want to use it after you've got the tracks matched up really well, unless of course you're awesome at it and want to do it all the time. You can use the finger drags and platter touching in the initial beatmatching stage when you got alot of pitching to do and then when you finally mix it and it starts to drift off a bit you can pitch bend it so the mix is smoother sounding and you don't get an audible speeding up or slowing down sound. I still can't do it very well, but my TTX's have enough torque I can get away with inaudible finger drags and spindle cranks. I am vowing to attempt to swtich over to it at some point, but I've been lazy with it as of late.

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Originally posted by xstalkrx ok i lied im asking another question. why dont people just use the pitch control to beatmatch? Why even touch the vinyl to slow it down or speed it up?

you just made a big step. go with it, slowing/speeding the record manualy is sloppy. and it will mess you up when you play with other tables that have more or less torque/platter mass.

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Originally posted by Wraith I still can't do it very well, but my TTX's have enough torque I can get away with inaudible finger drags and spindle cranks.

off topic:

this table has a digital pitch rite? at what increments dose it change pitch? .1% or .02%?

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Originally posted by Nou Well the table its self is still analog pitch, so the accuracy is infinit technically, the display only shows certain increments... I dont know what it displays, I never used TTX's

this is good to know. im going to be away from my 1200s for the summer and will have to use the ttxs.

My numark battle pack will be TT1625 tables / DM950 mixer. When you say ttxs is this what you mean?

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Originally posted by xstalkrx My numark battle pack will be TT1625 tables / DM950 mixer. When you say ttxs is this what you mean?

no not at all. same brand but more expencive, if they arent 1200s they arent tts imho.

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Originally posted by djwright off topic: this table has a digital pitch rite? at what increments dose it change pitch? .1% or .02%?

The pitch is analog the display is digital showing increments of .1%. The display is worhtless to me so I really don't bother with it.

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Originally posted by djwright no not at all. same brand but more expencive, if they arent 1200s they arent tts imho.

The 1625 is a slimmed down version of the 1650 which has about 2 grams less torque than the TTX, no pitch display, no key lock, and only +/- 10% pitch. The TTX has +/- 8%, 10%, 20%, and 50% pitch and it can be set to 75 rpm.

As far as your "if they aren't 1200s they aren't tts" statement.....

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