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Posted by starsearcher on Jun-28-2005 17:05:

Read This! Canada Parliament set to approve same sex marriage

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Canada Parliament set to approve same sex marriage

Tue Jun 28, 9:07 AM ET

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's Parliament was set on Tuesday to approve legislation that will allow same sex marriages across the country, despite fierce opposition from conservative legislators and religious groups.

A majority of parliamentarians support the legislation, which would make Canada only the third country after Belgium and the Netherlands to allow gay marriages.

Officials said Parliament would vote at around 8 p.m. EDT (midnight GMT) on Tuesday.

Canada's minority Liberal government said it had to produce legislation permitting gay marriage after courts in eight of the country's 10 provinces ruled that a ban same-sex marriages was unconstitutional because it violated Canada's charter on rights and freedoms.

Church groups and the main opposition Conservative Party say the law is an attack on organized religion, and some have suggested that allowing gay marriage could lead to the legalization of polygamy.

Prime Minister Paul Martin has ordered his cabinet to vote for the legislation, but around 35 Liberal legislators will oppose the bill.

Canada's stance stands in contrast to that in the United States, where
President Bush wants Congress to back a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriages.

The gay marriage legislation is the last item on Parliament's agenda before it breaks for the summer. Legislators are due to resume work on Sept. 19.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-28-2005 17:07:

Yes! The debate will finally be over!


Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-28-2005 17:11:

And they are doing it because of the bloc. Its all good and fine when the Liberals use bloc support but suddenly conservatives are conspirators when they do.

Double standards..

anyways at least this topic will be done with.


Posted by starsearcher on Jun-28-2005 17:12:

It will never be done with there are enough people who will continue arguing...but what's the big deal anyway...it's not like YOU are getting married to a gay person...it doesn't change a thing for people who are already married


Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-28-2005 17:14:

quote:
Originally posted by starsearcher
It will never be done with there are enough people who will continue arguing...but what's the big deal anyway...it's not like YOU are getting married to a gay person...it doesn't change a thing for people who are already married


Most of the (level headed) opposition is with the wording. Because people fear that because it's actually called marriage, religious institutions will be forced to perform them in the future against their will. Hopefully this doesnt happen but it could.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jun-28-2005 17:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Most of the (level headed) opposition is with the wording. Because people fear that because it's actually called marriage, religious institutions will be forced to perform them in the future against their will. Hopefully this doesnt happen but it could.


If someone takes a religious institution to court over this it will end up being a very interesting legal battle. Essentially we will have a fight over whether freedom of religion is more important them freedom of expression. Should be interesting.


Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-28-2005 18:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
If someone takes a religious institution to court over this it will end up being a very interesting legal battle. Essentially we will have a fight over whether freedom of religion is more important them freedom of expression. Should be interesting.


This is what those who support gay marriage, yet are opposed to calling it marriage in the legal world are trying to avoid. If churches are ever forced to perform gay weddings then it will be a huge abomination of everyone's rights.


Posted by Orko on Jun-28-2005 18:33:

I am happy this is finally going through. We need to be a more accepting society, and i think this is a step in the right direction.

If different religions do not want to recognize two men, or two women, then its their lose. They are probably alienating great people, who were born just a bit different than the rest of us.



On a side note...what is next? Could people be allowed to get married to other living beings? Do you think it will just top at human + human? Could bring about some funny stories/requests.


Posted by MarkT on Jun-28-2005 18:54:

It's about time. I trust, and expect, the Supreme Court to protect the rights of religious institutions as carefully as they would protect the rights of gays should any case be brought before them.

Once again Harper absolutely embarassed himself with his pointless and ludicrous remarks this week...calling the legislation "illegitimate" because it will come to pass due to the Bloc's support.

um...Bloc MPs are ELECTED OFFICIALS...whether or not Harper agrees with their actions is 100% irrelevant...THIS IS HOW THE GOV'T WORKS.

again...Harper needs to step down...how much more can he whine and cry when he doesn't get his way before his party seeks to replace him??? He's so unfit to lead the Conservative party to power it's no longer funny (even to me, as a Liberal supporter). All he's done is slap Quebec voters, and the Bloc party, across the face with his remarks, likely further damaging his party's chances to improve their popularity. If I was a Conservative supporter, I'd be calling for his resignation...


Posted by amb_ on Jun-28-2005 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
It's about time. I trust, and expect, the Supreme Court to protect the rights of religious institutions as carefully as they would protect the rights of gays should any case be brought before them.

Once again Harper absolutely embarassed himself with his pointless and ludicrous remarks this week...calling the legislation "illegitimate" because it will come to pass due to the Bloc's support.

um...Bloc MPs are ELECTED OFFICIALS...whether or not Harper agrees with their actions is 100% irrelevant...THIS IS HOW THE GOV'T WORKS.

again...Harper needs to step down...how much more can he whine and cry when he doesn't get his way before his party seeks to replace him??? He's so unfit to lead the Conservative party to power it's no longer funny (even to me, as a Liberal supporter). All he's done is slap Quebec voters, and the Bloc party, across the face with his remarks, likely further damaging his party's chances to improve their popularity. If I was a Conservative supporter, I'd be calling for his resignation...


I nearly pissed myself laughing last night when I watched The Hour with George Stroumboulopoulos playing some soundbites of Harper denouncing the legislation because it will win with the support of the BQ, calling into question its validity because those who support it have a "separatist agenda". Such a Jon Stewart moment...

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Yes George, the same Bloc who worked with the CPC to bring down the government...


Posted by EvilDust on Jun-28-2005 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko

On a side note...what is next? Could people be allowed to get married to other living beings? Do you think it will just top at human + human? Could bring about some funny stories/requests.



People aren't that stupid....are they?


Posted by Yohan on Jun-28-2005 21:16:

quote:
Originally posted by EvilDust
People aren't that stupid....are they?

Or to stretch it just a little further, what about transexuals? Or hermaphrodites?


Posted by MarkT on Jun-28-2005 21:23:

^^^ transexuals and hermaphodites ARE HUMAN BEINGS TOO and they should also have the right to marry.

ugh...George S...he doesn't strike me as the most insightful host, lol...I just can't watch that show...he's in over his head all too often, it seems.


Posted by DigiNut on Jun-28-2005 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Essentially we will have a fight over whether freedom of religion is more important them freedom of expression.

Very interesting indeed, since freedom of religion and freedom of expression are both fundamental rights and not mutually exclusive.

It only becomes a "battle" when we introduce phoney-baloney "rights" like the "right" to marriage. Make whatever argument you like, but gay marriage was never a freedom of expression issue, it was a "non-discrimination" issue, which is an entirely different part of the Charter.

A true right should never violate any other right. When that happens, it ceases to be a right and becomes oppression. Seems like oppressive "rights" are the new fad these days, since you're seeing them everywhere - anti-trust laws, pit bull bans, junk food bans, fast-food lawsuits, dwarf-tossing bans, low-carb labelling bans...

Don't get me wrong, this isn't meant to be an argument against gay marriage - but if I ever hear of churches or synagogues being forced to marry homosexuals against their will then I will be packing up my bags and leaving this country for good.


Posted by zoogla on Jun-29-2005 02:01:









HILARIOUS EPISODE!!!!!


Posted by amb_ on Jun-29-2005 03:12:

And it's done.

quote:
Bill C-38, the same sex marriage bill has passed in Ottawa by a vote of 158-133. The Liberals had pledged to allow long debate on the controversial proposal, but cut off discussion on Monday night. Just after 9pm Tuesday, the final vote was taken and the bill passed.

Source: CP24 email news bulletin, (c) 2005 CHUM Limited


Posted by breakable on Jun-29-2005 07:31:

quote:
Originally posted by amb_
And it's done.


Source: CP24 email news bulletin, (c) 2005 CHUM Limited


I wonder how this is being celebrated...Maybe there will be mass gay weddings all across Canada.


Posted by amb_ on Jun-29-2005 07:46:

quote:
Originally posted by breakable
I wonder how this is being celebrated...Maybe there will be mass gay weddings all across Canada.


Perhaps. Bear in mind, however, that on June 23rd, New Brunswick became the 8th province in Canada to allow same-sex marriage.



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