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Recording - volume issues

Hey!
Recording my mixes worked great on my old computer.. But on my "new" one, it doesnt go well at all..
I have the mixer connected to the blue line-in slot and the software I use is Sony Soundforge 7.0.
My problem is that the volume peaks (goes into the red zone of the volume meter) as soon as I touch the line-in volume level one millimeter up..it's not possible to have the volume lower without muting the line-in.. Can anyone plz help?




EDIT: I have the cable connected to "record" in my Numark DXM06-mixer..just like i had earlier when it worked ;S

Have you tried turning ur gain knob on ur mixer down? That'll stop it going into red and having that unnacceptable static sound.

I had this problem with my mixer too, it solved it, it means you'll have ur gains down, and your amp/stereo/master volume turned up, but it does solve the problem.

Hope that helped, if not let us know, and im sure we can sort it out, i just went through this process 30 minutes ago, it was a ROYAL pain in the ass!

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Originally posted by ���|E Have you tried turning ur gain knob on ur mixer down? That'll stop it going into red and having that unnacceptable static sound. I had this problem with my mixer too, it solved it, it means you'll have ur gains down, and your amp/stereo/master volume turned up, but it does solve the problem. Hope that helped, if not let us know, and im sure we can sort it out, i just went through this process 30 minutes ago, it was a ROYAL pain in the ass!

Well..not at home right now but I guess it would work to lower the gains to almost mininum.. But that's not the way its supposed to be ;S What if you need to work the gains during your mix?

Are you sure you're not using a mic-level input jack on your soundcard or maybe have somehow set it by software so it is acting like a mic-level input? That would explain why the level looks way too high.

i had this problem as well and i turned the line-in setting on my desktop volume control down and turned up the vol knobs on my mixer. the vol peaks in wavelab stay in the greenzone and my mixes are of sufficient volume. let me know if it works, cos it works like a charm for me.

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Originally posted by tvmann Are you sure you're not using a mic-level input jack on your soundcard or maybe have somehow set it by software so it is acting like a mic-level input? That would explain why the level looks way too high.

Naa.. it is line-in.. Already checked that.. It just seems like my line-in is ultra sensitive in some crazy way :/

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Originally posted by [Chriz] i had this problem as well and i turned the line-in setting on my desktop volume control down and turned up the vol knobs on my mixer. the vol peaks in wavelab stay in the greenzone and my mixes are of sufficient volume. let me know if it works, cos it works like a charm for me.

Well.. the only thing besides the faders on the mixer that changes the volume of that output is the gain nobs.. And it works if I have my gains at 7-8 o'clock ;S .. But thats not practicle at all..

I'll try n sort it out tonight, bit busy today until then, it'll be a windows setting though if u feel like playing around with it in fact im pretty fricking sure i know exactly what it is but cant test it for while, once i can confirm it i'll write u a step by step

p.s i dunno about you, but i never need to lower my tracks by THAT much using the gains, some i do a fair bit but going from 9 to 7 on the gain seems just enough (yeah there are prolly caces that it screws up for but meh)

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Originally posted by ���|E I'll try n sort it out tonight, bit busy today until then, it'll be a windows setting though if u feel like playing around with it in fact im pretty fricking sure i know exactly what it is but cant test it for while, once i can confirm it i'll write u a step by step p.s i dunno about you, but i never need to lower my tracks by THAT much using the gains, some i do a fair bit but going from 9 to 7 on the gain seems just enough (yeah there are prolly caces that it screws up for but meh)

That would be great if you solved it
I know I often dont need to lower my tracks that much either but.. I do it when i do som "tricks".. And it would also be hard to keep the levels by lookin at the LEDs when having a weak signal like that..

Heading off to Amsterdam and Sensation now! Good luck!

Alrighty, it was what i thought it was, good news

ok heres what u do:
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1: On ur computer go to the "Control Panel".

2: Then go to "Sounds and Audio Devices".

3: In the "Volume" tab, you'll see two squares, one is labelled "Device Volume" and the other is called "speaker Settings", you want to look at the square labelled "Device Volume", now click the "Advanced" button IN that square.

4: You'll see a window appear with a bunch of faders for things like "Wave", "CD Audio", "Line In" and so on, you are interested in the "Line In" fader, make sure it ISN'T muted (there should not be a tick in the mute box), and then set this fader to about 55% of the way up.

5: Close this window and now the volume from your mixer should be altered.

6: Load Soundforge (or whatever other program you're using to record) and try recording now, you should be able to have the GAIN knob on your mixer at 12 o'clock (this depends a little on the track that you're playing).

7: These settings may not be perfect just yet. Raise and lower the volume on the "Line In" setting in the control panel until the sound is being recorded how you want, and the gain knob is in the right position for your own use.
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Im assuming you're using Windows XP btw

Hope that helped you out, if not let me know

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Originally posted by ���|E Alrighty, it was what i thought it was, good news ok heres what u do: ____________________________________________________________________ 1: On ur computer go to the "Control Panel". 2: Then go to "Sounds and Audio Devices". 3: In the "Volume" tab, you'll see two squares, one is labelled "Device Volume" and the other is called "speaker Settings", you want to look at the square labelled "Device Volume", now click the "Advanced" button IN that square. 4: You'll see a window appear with a bunch of faders for things like "Wave", "CD Audio", "Line In" and so on, you are interested in the "Line In" fader, make sure it ISN'T muted (there should not be a tick in the mute box), and then set this fader to about 55% of the way up. 5: Close this window and now the volume from your mixer should be altered. 6: Load Soundforge (or whatever other program you're using to record) and try recording now, you should be able to have the GAIN knob on your mixer at 12 o'clock (this depends a little on the track that you're playing). 7: These settings may not be perfect just yet. Raise and lower the volume on the "Line In" setting in the control panel until the sound is being recorded how you want, and the gain knob is in the right position for your own use. ____________________________________________________________________ Im assuming you're using Windows XP btw Hope that helped you out, if not let me know

Thank you very very much
Seems like I need to have the "what you hear" selected as input.. and to not have the line-in muted in the output options, just like you said

If I have the "line-in" output volume at the absolute lowest possible without having it muted, I can now change the "what you hear" volume to get proper levels! Seems strange that the line-in's output volume is that sensitive tho!

hmmmmmmm, not to sure about using the "what you hear" setting instead of the "line in" setting, im gonna give that a go tomorrow and see how it comes out

glad it worked out for u though!

Additionally, sometimes in the Volume control panel, if your sound card has "Advanced" options for any of the inputs, make sure that there isn't an option such as "Mic Gain" turned on.

i have the same problem, but i can still record okay if i pay close attention not to peak.

i have the line-in turned ALL the way down in audio properties, and i have my levels on my mixer around 1-2 reds the way i like them. when i record, the levels are usually in the yellow in cooledit pro 2.

i have the gains at the max and i just vary the upfaders to adjust for the difference in levels from track to track. i vary the master level on the mixer to achieve my 1-2 reds.

the only real safe solution i can think of is getting a soundcard cuz i'm sure my onboard card right now is a POS and i didn't have this problem with my old computer (although i had a lot of background noise with that one).

so my advice is, if you like the levels on your mixer where you want them to be is to turn the line in as low as you can and see if you can keep your mixes out of the red in soundforge when you record.

Recording Properties in Windows

Don't forget about the "Recording" Properties in the Volume Control. Select Option > Properties and select the "Recording" radio button. Check the boxes of the controls you want to see, then click "OK". This will display the Volume Control for your input devices. You can adjust your "Line In" level here for your input level.

Im going crazy!!!! This is starting to get really annoying...
I got a good signal when looking att the VU-meters after following ���|E's advices, but the sound quality is still shit no matter how much I raise or lower the volume in sound properties... This is how the recordings look like:

It looks like someone chopped of the top of the waveform doesnt it?
What should I do?

There are two main sets of Volume Controls.

One is for output only: i.e., Master Out, CD, Wave, Aux, Line In, Mic, MIDI, etc.

The other is for input only: i.e., Line In, Mic, MIDI, Digital, etc.
These levels will affect your output levels as well.

Check your Volume Level for Line In in the RECORDING Section of the Volume Control. This will affect all programs that use the Line In signal.

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Originally posted by Jeremy H It looks like someone chopped of the top of the waveform doesnt it? What should I do?

yeah ................ thats weird!!!

im having a few problems getting the right level of my bass through atm as well.

You did mention earlier that you were recording/changing the level of "what you hear", and using that to record, that could be ur problem, make sure you are recording the "line in" signal when ur using soundforge.

that help?

and what sound card have u got on ur computer?

In the windows mixer when you go options>properties dont forget to check both the Adjust volume for: Playback and for Recording aswell i havnt read the thread properly but it sounds like you are changing the playback volume of the inputs.

Right Jeremy, i've found how to adjust the recording levels so it doesnt clip!

Before i had Soundforge on my pc i had "Advanced mp3/wma recorder" to let me judge how good or bad my mixes were.

I've now got Soundforge & i've got the same problem as you & others - that when my gains are right down low & my fader for the volume is up at the top that it clips & the sound is distorted!

Well i've found a solution. Download this advance mp3/wma recorder - http://www.downloadatoz.com/mp3recorder/

Once you've installed it, open it up click on record control & tick the line in box. From there you can adjust the volume at which it gets recorded at in Soundforge!!

Let me know that it works with you

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Originally posted by sw1 There are two main sets of Volume Controls. One is for output only: i.e., Master Out, CD, Wave, Aux, Line In, Mic, MIDI, etc. The other is for input only: i.e., Line In, Mic, MIDI, Digital, etc. These levels will affect your output levels as well. Check your Volume Level for Line In in the RECORDING Section of the Volume Control. This will affect all programs that use the Line In signal.

I've checked all levels at both input and output!
When I have the line-in volume at the lowest possible (without having it muted) in both input and output, the VU-meters in soundforge show "clipp"

If I have the line-in output at the lowest possible and the line-in input muted and use "what you hear" as input instead, I get a good signal at the VU-meters... But as you can see on the waveform i posted, the sound is heavily distorted ;S

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Originally posted by dj darroch Right Jeremy, i've found how to adjust the recording levels so it doesnt clip! Before i had Soundforge on my pc i had "Advanced mp3/wma recorder" to let me judge how good or bad my mixes were. I've now got Soundforge & i've got the same problem as you & others - that when my gains are right down low & my fader for the volume is up at the top that it clips & the sound is distorted! Well i've found a solution. Download this advance mp3/wma recorder - http://www.downloadatoz.com/mp3recorder/ Once you've installed it, open it up click on record control & tick the line in box. From there you can adjust the volume at which it gets recorded at in Soundforge!! Let me know that it works with you

Thanks for the idea, but that program's "record control" only shows and controls the same things as the input controls in windows sound options does

Btw. I should also mention that i have tried different drivers too..

Oh well. It somehow made a difference to the input volume that i recorded a mix on Soundforge 2day!

It deffo made a difference buy lowering the line in volume of that advanced mp3 recorder. Does it not make a difference on yours?

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Originally posted by Jeremy H I've checked all levels at both input and output! When I have the line-in volume at the lowest possible (without having it muted) in both input and output, the VU-meters in soundforge show "clipp"

You are changing the RECORDING volume and not the playback volume arent you? u need to make sure you're doing this because by default u change the playback level

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Originally posted by dj darroch Oh well. It somehow made a difference to the input volume that i recorded a mix on Soundforge 2day! It deffo made a difference buy lowering the line in volume of that advanced mp3 recorder. Does it not make a difference on yours?

It does make a difference, but it does exactly the same thing as changing windows' sound input volume.. And as I said before, even if I have the line-in (input) as low as possible, the VU-meters still go all the way up..

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Originally posted by ���|E You are changing the RECORDING volume and not the playback volume arent you? u need to make sure you're doing this because by default u change the playback level

Yes, Im really sure of that..

The only thing you can do then is to turn your gains right down or the volume faders!

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