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Bring Back The Dirtyness!

Am I the only one that is sick of this german minimal influenced SHIT! coming out of the music scene today.

Locodice - the creator of Phatt Dope Shit released a mix album out in August, I heard the promo of weak watered down house and electro with NO fucking dirtyness

Clive Henry - the dark and dirty man did the same as Locodice

John Digweed went tech house but he rather play the minimal shit, none of this dirtyass tech that should be played.

the list goes on

PLEASE PEOPLE, BRING BACK THE DIRTYASS SHIT!, I guess its till someone wakes the fuck up again or GU LIGHTS OUT 3

z0mg bring back '99 era trance!

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Originally posted by torontotrance Am I the only one that is sick of this german minimal influenced SHIT! coming out of the music scene today. Locodice - the creator of Phatt Dope Shit released a mix album out in August, I heard the promo of weak watered down house and electro with NO fucking dirtyness Clive Henry - the dark and dirty man did the same as Locodice John Digweed went tech house but he rather play the minimal shit, none of this dirtyass tech that should be played. the list goes on PLEASE PEOPLE, BRING BACK THE DIRTYASS SHIT!, I guess its till someone wakes the fuck up again or GU LIGHTS OUT 3

NO!!!!!!!!!!! lovin' the minimal shit.

i think lawler's lights out 3 is due sometime this year

go back and listen to lawler's 2000 essential mix - fyi - he's doing the EM on july 17

i like the,from you called "german minimal shit"

useless topic! dj's play what they like - and the allmighty digweed won't stop playing records you don't like because you opended that topic! :P

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Originally posted by UWM z0mg bring back '99 era trance!

YES!, April - may 1999 Trance pwned. Nothing was as good.


Lets revert to the past !! its the only way to progress.

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Originally posted by Tenshi useless topic! dj's play what they like...

HA! Would like to see this same answer from you in topics from tiesto's, armin's and pvd's playlists instead your typical and stupid bashing answers





Touch�!

I'll be the first one to agree then. Sure, there is some quality minimal stuff out there (Gabriel Ananda, anyone?) but every other f**ker with a mixer is jumping on the bandwagon. It's getting tedious. Even more so since it causes an enormous increase in releases, and most of the time, that does not do any good to the quality.

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Originally posted by Tenshi i like the,from you called "german minimal shit" useless topic! dj's play what they like - and the allmighty digweed won't stop playing records you don't like because you opended that topic! :P

Learn English please (that's point #1)
Second of all, the minimal bandwagon is so overloaded that the quality hit the shitter or trashcan. That is fucking sad but my post was about the need for more dirty fucking music not the suffering of minimal shit. I did point out how two known dirty ass deejays have fallen victim to this.

that is all

have a nice day douchebag

Steve Lawler vs King Unique ft. Rowetta - Souls on Ice


How does this do it for you Pickles?

I'm inclined to agree with TTA on this one.

you know...i don't really like any of the minimal genres that much. like i really didn't like the stint that sasha and digweed went through in 2001-2002 with the pretty minimal prog stuff...i just like my music more driving and banging...

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[i] PLEASE PEOPLE, BRING BACK THE DIRTYASS SHIT!, I guess its till someone wakes the fuck up again or GU LIGHTS OUT 3

Werd!

We want tracks like

Peace Division - No More Minimal Shit

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Originally posted by MarathonMan Werd! We want tracks like Peace Division - No More Minimal Shit

nah, more like Peace Division - No More Subliminal Shit (D. Ramirez rmx)

I saw Lawler two weeks back...


that guys is fuckin DIRTY

Dirty nothing. You don't even know what "dirty" means. You just use it to describe some intangible nothing you hear when...well whatever the fuck you hear.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Dirty nothing. You don't even know what "dirty" means. You just use it to describe some intangible nothing you hear when...well whatever the fuck you hear.

You didn't even know who Pink Floyd was.

amen.

I love the "dirty" sound that makes you feel sweaty and filthy.

Makes you want to walk up to some random hoe, back hand her, and give her the good ol'. After, you tell her to get you some god damn juice. Er...dunno if that's just me.

Anyways, like someone said - old Lawler or Moshic stuff gets the job done.

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Originally posted by flavdave You didn't even know who Pink Floyd was.

You kidding me? He was awesome!

Minimal for me, sorry. These last couple bandwagons have brought some excellent music IMO, i guess it'll eventually reach the overloaded point like progressive did, but so far i've been loving it.

Lawler isn't bad tho.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i just like my music more driving and banging...

same here. there's lots of minimal i like, but only when i listen to it at home.. it's just not driving enough to keep me interested in a club or at an event.

same goes for prog for that matter

i fully agree with TTA.. bring back the filthy tech house

what does it mean for a tack to be 'dirty' 'filthy' and such?

what about the song makes is dirty? I guess I never understood that one, how a sound can be dirty.

I remember a few songs that I guess people commonly refer to as dirty music though

dirty - dirty
PQM - you are sleeping

what makes these songs dirty? I guess the general mood of that style encourages people to act naughty, but I still cant find quite the right things to pay attention for in order to detect a tracks 'dirtyness'. Overall they seem to be very bass heavy. The gimmick seems to revolve around appealing to naughty behavior, avoiding high pitched synthplay as much as possible. But yeah, I guess it is distorted base and emphasis on the percussion rather than the synthplay, please somebody explain this to be better because I am just guessing.

This style seems to focus the attention of the parts of the songs that I usually take for granted. The pieces I would generaly ignore, like the subtle bass runblings and the way the secondary percs are laid out. I guess thats why I never followed it too much, because it seemed to revolve around the parts of music that I generally ignored.

The raunchy gimmick just doesnt do it for me I guess, maybe it is because I never get a chance to get drunk while I'm partying because I always have to drive 3+ hours to get to the place. I imagine this kind of music would be much more enjoyable in a drunk setting.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 what does it mean for a tack to be 'dirty' 'filthy' and such? what about the song makes is dirty? I guess I never understood that one, how a sound can be dirty. I remember a few songs that I guess people commonly refer to as dirty music though dirty - dirty PQM - you are sleeping what makes these songs dirty? I guess the general mood of that style encourages people to act naughty, but I still cant find quite the right things to pay attention for in order to detect a tracks 'dirtyness'. Overall they seem to be very bass heavy. The gimmick seems to revolve around appealing to naughty behavior, avoiding high pitched synthplay as much as possible. But yeah, I guess it is distorted base and emphasis on the percussion rather than the synthplay, please somebody explain this to be better because I am just guessing. This style seems to focus the attention of the parts of the songs that I usually take for granted. The pieces I would generaly ignore, like the subtle bass runblings and the way the secondary percs are laid out. I guess thats why I never followed it too much, because it seemed to revolve around the parts of music that I generally ignored. The raunchy gimmick just doesnt do it for me I guess, maybe it is because I never get a chance to get drunk while I'm partying because I always have to drive 3+ hours to get to the place. I imagine this kind of music would be much more enjoyable in a drunk setting.

IMO, there is no "gimmick" and I never really associated naughty behavior with the dirtyness of a track. I could see how you would jump to that conclusion, but I think it is way off.

The "dirtyness" of a track refers to the overall tone and vibe it gives off. To start, tribal house and much of the older Twilo progressive house as well as some tech/deep house sound like this and you really need to properly listen to it to get a sense for what elements comprise this sound. I'm sure what is considered dirty to one person is not to another, so I'll try to break it down from my experience. I'd say that one main characteristic which makes a track dirty is its groove. The percussion and low rumbling bass are crafted in a way that a tight and very danceable foundation is formed. If anything, the gimmick would revolve around the ability to dance rather than being a sexual ass.

Another thing that seems prevalent is the tone. Many of these tracks have sort of a brooding, dark tribal feel which is accentuated by the use of certain synths and pads. I like to think of the synths to be almost industrial and warehouse sounding and that gives some nice substance to the percussion already going on. Vocal effects, reverb, and middle eastern chants/sounds add even more depth and the combination is one that results in a wicked sounding tune. The vocals could be haunting in nature or more of a Deep Dish style affair. Also, the pads and melodies that are present are not the obnoxious in-your-face shit that sounds like something from the early days of Nintendo. They are more layered, subtle, and interlocked than that of other types of dance music. Of course not all the tracks classified as being dirty are completely dark. Some have more of a lighter feeling, such as Tarrentella & Redanka's Instrumental of Datar's track "U". It just depends on the track. Maybe someone else can help me out here because it is kind of hard to explain.

Check out this liveset. It is my personal favorite and definitely gives a representation of what dirty music sounds like.

-Hernan Cattaneo - Live at Mixmasters (June 6, 2002)

Also, check out stuff from Chus & Ceballos, Steve Porter's earlier work/remixes, Lexicon Avenue, and Satoshi Tomiie as well as Steve Lawler, Danny Tenaglia, and Behrouz.

Yeah I love dark and dirty and banging sound. I hope it comes back.

hmmm, that cattaneo dude is supposed to be in my neighborhood this thrursday ...

it does seem like something that is hard to find the right words to describe

whenever I see people play that kind of stuff around here, I never see anybody dancing. So I can't quite understand how a thing so subtle is more danceable, having not seen much besides kids flailing wildly to DnB or standing around nodding their heads to whatever else kids are playing.

Are there any video files floating around of people dancing to this stuff? I am a bit curious what a floor full of fans of this kind of music looks like, because I have heard the talk about it being deancable before but just never had a chance to see it. I dont think I will see it this upcoming thursday, because oakey is playing at that same party so I doubt the crowd will be in the mood for dirtyness, prolly just pack the place just because they recognize oakeys name, sigh.

Oh, there goes Radagast again , tho this is your last warning, stop the crap or you go bye bye and all of your new accounts join it

anyway

Dirty Tech House, with that filthy edge to it, none of this minimalism crap. Dirty Tribal House, the kind that Steve Lawler used to play more of, that just made the hair on the back of your neck stand up.

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