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Hamas to keep on killin'....
...even after the pullout...
Wow....what a big surprise... 
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Last update - 01:53 07/07/2005 Senior Hamas official: We have lost faith in Abbas By Arnon Regular A senior Hamas official yesterday threatened both open confrontation with the Palestinian Authority and continued attacks on Israel from Gaza after the disengagement, saying that Hamas had "lost faith" in Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen). In an interview with a local Gaza news agency, Mahmoud al-Zahar, a senior Hamas official in the Gaza Strip, said Hamas was not willing "to serve as a fig leaf" for PA control of Gaza following the disengagement, would not give up its weapons and was liable to continue bombarding Israel with mortars and rockets from Gaza after the disengagement "in order to liberate the West Bank and Jerusalem." However, other senior Hamas officials moved quickly to try to moderate the fears of civil war that Zahar's interview aroused among the Palestinian public. Sheikh Hassan Yusuf, a senior Hamas leader from Ramallah, for instance, published a statement saying that Zahar "exaggerated in describing [Hamas'] differences of opinion with the Palestinian Authority and Abu Mazen." Zahar, who gave the interview as Abbas was in Damascus to try and reach an agreement with Hamas' external leadership on various PA-Hamas disputes, warned: "The Palestinian Authority and Fatah need to know that what they are doing now is playing with fire. They will bear responsibility for ignoring Hamas and the [other] factions and for their insistence on managing the withdrawal alone. We will not serve as a fig leaf on this matter, nor will we allow it [the PA] to steal the achievements of the street and Hamas - the sacrifice of its [Hamas'] sons and its leadership to liberate the land of Gaza - just so that this land will be distributed to some individual or another." He even hinted that Hamas would be willing to use force against the PA to prevent it from running Gaza after Israel's withdrawal: "Just as we did not accept the occupation of the land, we will not allow it to be allocated to anyone who did not play a part in liberating it," he said, referring to the PA. "The PA, which accuses itself day and night of corruption, cannot manage the population. They will encounter a determined street if they try to decide by themselves, and Hamas will never work with them." Hamas will not join a unity government, as the PA has proposed, Zahar said. It would agree to sit on a committee comprised of representatives of all the Palestinian factions, which would manage Gaza jointly, but only if this committee were not part of the PA. Moreover, "only those who liberated Gaza should participate in such a committee, not other parties, who are now trying to increase the number of people who want to share in the division of the spoils," he said. "Hamas will keep its weapons after the withdrawal, because they serve to defend every centimeter of the homeland against Zionist aggression," Zahar continued. "Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem are one geographic unit, and Hamas will not sit quietly in Gaza if it is attacked in the West Bank. Who will guarantee that the occupation won't return to Gaza? And who will protect Hamas members against the PA? The Preventive Security Service, which arrested its members in the past? The mukhabarat [secret police], which is gathering intelligence on it? We will not give our weapons to anyone, and we will not enter the PA's jails." Zahar also attacked Abbas personally, the first time Hamas has done so since his election. Describing the PA chairman as "a man who can't be relied on," he charged that Abbas had broken numerous agreements with Hamas. "Hamas has lost faith in him because he did not carry out what was agreed on with the movement," Zahar said. "We agreed on a `supreme national body' and this was not implemented," he continued, referring to the idea that Hamas and Islamic Jihad would join the PLO under new rules. "We agreed that our people would not be harmed by the PA, and this was not implemented. The same is true of the continuation of local elections, which are not being held, and of the parliamentary elections. Even though there are written agreements, Fatah postponed [the elections] unilaterally, and now Abu Mazen is setting new dates and sending us emissaries to get us to agree to them." Zahar demanded both that a date for parliamentary elections be set and that a new Central Elections Commission be formed to replace the current one, to ensure that the elections are free of fraud. "Relations between Fatah and Hamas are strained against the background of its [Fatah's] verbal attacks on the organization," he said. |
The Palestinians are enjoying this time of peace much too greatly that such an act by Hamas is simply unpopular.
After three-years of counter-terrorist actions and restriction, the Palestinians are welcoming tranquility and moderate stability for a change. No longer suffering the daily threat of chaos, violence, restriction on movement, and unbearable corruption.
To launch mortar attacks on Israel will bring terror and chaos. But less so to the Israelis than to the Palestinians awaiting Israel's response to the terrorist who hide behind women and children in cowardice.
Palestinians are seeing what Israelis have known all too long. With Israel, peace works. Violence does not.
The Palestinians have been defeated. There is no violence they can sow across Israel that will change its course. The majority of Palestinians now understand, it is pointless to try more violence. Peace is good, and perhaps a new method to achieving that goal should be pursuited.
Re: Hamas to keep on killin'....
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...even after the pullout... Wow....what a big surprise... >>Source<< |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King even after the pullout??? Well that hasnt happened yet.. but even when it does. it doesnt matter to hamas. The zionists are planning to build 3500 homes within the west bank.. another ILLEGAL act under international law. When will these filthy zio's understand?? DONT STEAL LAND!!! They have all of ISrael to build thier stupid homes on.. why do they keep fucking these pals uP! |
A few points...
1) Why the thread title when the article makes clear that this is one man who does not represent the wider Hamas leadership?
2) If Hamas did attack again why would that be suprising considering Israel still occupies the West Bank and Jerusalem?
Anyway...leaving that aside something extremely interesting sticks out like a sore thumb (for me anyway) which I think is significant...
"Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem are one geographic unit, and Hamas will not sit quietly in Gaza if it is attacked in the West Bank"
No mention of Israel proper...
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| Originally posted by George Smiley A few points... 1) Why the thread title when the article makes clear that this is one man who does not represent the wider Hamas leadership? |
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Anyway...leaving that aside something extremely interesting sticks out like a sore thumb (for me anyway) which I think is significant... "Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem are one geographic unit, and Hamas will not sit quietly in Gaza if it is attacked in the West Bank" |
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No mention of Israel proper... |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r First sentence: "A senior Hamas official..." |
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| Somehow, I don't picture Hamas being the ones, "attacked". Still waiting for that too... |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Link? |
Re: Re: Hamas to keep on killin'....
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King even after the pullout??? Well that hasnt happened yet.. but even when it does. it doesnt matter to hamas. The zionists are planning to build 3500 homes within the west bank.. another ILLEGAL act under international law. When will these filthy zio's understand?? DONT STEAL LAND!!! They have all of ISrael to build thier stupid homes on.. why do they keep fucking these pals uP! |
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| Originally posted by ronk oh you are so goddamn stupid |
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| A senior Hamas official yesterday threatened both open confrontation with the Palestinian Authority and continued attacks on Israel from Gaza after the disengagement, saying that Hamas had "lost faith" in Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. |
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| Originally posted by smokeape And this is a surprise? Since when did Hamas ever listen to the PLA to begin with? Unless the PLA learns to control its radical factions, then Israel will continue to pummel them with what they deserve... [[[smoke]]] |
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| Originally posted by smokeape And this is a surprise? Since when did Hamas ever listen to the PLA to begin with? Unless the PLA learns to control its radical factions, then Israel will continue to pummel them with what they deserve... [[[smoke]]] |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Is collective punishment really necessary?? ISrael shouldnt have supported Yissin in his creation of Hamas in the first place. Shame on you Zio's... you remind me of your mother land called the US. One day you have friends that you help out.. then they are your worst enemies *cough osama cough* |
jerusalem
whether or not gaza pullout is a success, jerusalem must not fall into muslims.
what does jerusalem mean to the palestinians anyway, if mecca is the holy place of islam?
can u say that, if we burn down mecca, the palestinians dont care?
must be the fundamentals of salahedin and his arab jihadists
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| Originally posted by killingjoke whether or not gaza pullout is a success, jerusalem must not fall into muslims. what does jerusalem mean to the palestinians anyway, if mecca is the holy place of islam? can u say that, if we burn down mecca, the palestinians dont care? must be the fundamentals of salahedin and his arab jihadists |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley And sod all that anyway that's their capital city!!! |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Actually its Ramallah. But who'd expect a Mid-East Graduate student to know that?! |
jerusalem the capital, duh
jerusalem,
but i find it weird for palestinians who want jerusalem or ramalah.
they dont belong to any country, even the neighbouring arab countries refuse them. darn.
Re: jerusalem the capital, duh
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| Originally posted by killingjoke jerusalem, but i find it weird for palestinians who want jerusalem or ramalah. they dont belong to any country, even the neighbouring arab countries refuse them. darn. |
hello jerusalem is, u need history 101, no matter how the palestinians want it, it will belong to israel.
if you say the palestinians capital is jersualem, why not organize a crusade to annihilate mecca during the haj?
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| Originally posted by killingjoke hello jerusalem is, u need history 101, no matter how the palestinians want it, it will belong to israel. if you say the palestinians capital is jersualem, why not organize a crusade to annihilate mecca during the haj? |
Re: jerusalem the capital, duh
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| Originally posted by killingjoke jerusalem, but i find it weird for palestinians who want jerusalem or ramalah. they dont belong to any country, even the neighbouring arab countries refuse them. darn. |
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| Originally posted by killingjoke if you say the palestinians capital is jersualem, why not organize a crusade to annihilate mecca during the haj? |
Israel belong to us, it's only Britain who gave the palestinians a promise about some parts of this land, because they were afraid of terror acts from them against the british who lived and ruled here 50� years ago.
but you call us terrorists?
the palestinians are scumbags who kill innocent people!
did you freaking know that a palestinian women was about to blow herself up in an Israeli hospital (where I was hospitalized a year ago, and you can't even imagine the numerous arabs who were hospitalized there too) if it weren't a soldier who stopped her in the right moment?!
or..do you know about the bombing yesterday in Netania, after 5 MONTHS of cease fire?!
Jerusalem, by the way, is a part of Israel and its capital ever since it was built by King David.
and I'd like a link to the "international community" where they say Jerusalem isn't a part of Israel and isn't Israel's capital city.
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