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Posted by oldschool420 on Jul-21-2005 15:48:

My Letter to Mayor Miller

I decided I needed to write a letter to the Mayor about what is going on with music and how it is getting out of control. If anyone would like to read it here it is. Your oppinions would be much appreciated

Dear Mayor Miller,


My name is Justin Williams and I am writing to you to address an ongoing issue in the GTA today. I am an avid music fan and I attend both local and international events which happen in our beautiful city. My concern is that we are being taken away our right to listen to this music at certain times of the day. Nowhere else in the world but here would we be shut down for having a festival as we would call it.

Some people seem to believe that we are creating �noise pollution�. I understand they may not enjoy the music we are playing but that gives the police no right to shut us down. I do not believe what we are doing is illegal.

A few weeks ago I was enjoying one of the best nights of my life a while back at The Guvernment Complex, based on the complaints of a few people who live on Toronto Island (�The Islanders�) the police sent 15+ quad cars to shut The Guvernment down. I personally stayed on the island and the noise level is not that bad. If they would just kindly shut their windows or even turn on their music just a little bit� the noise would almost totally be muted out.

I live in this country believing we are about freedom and being able to live our dreams, but this kind of behaviour from our police is unacceptable. Why everywhere else in the world do people take a week off and celebrate different festivals all day and all night and there are no complaints and no police closings?

If you live close to downtown Toronto you have to expect noise. If you want peace and quiet you should live up North, not in the largest city in Canada and one of the largest cities in North America.

The Islanders believe because they have lived there for so long that they have this right to everything, but they don�t. They still live in the big city, noise is going to happen, and we should not have to suffer as a result of them not being able to just deal with it.

I deal with things I don�t like everyday, and you don�t see me calling and asking it to be shut down. I know you may think I am way out of line here, however, music is my life, it is my passion, and it makes me who I am. Why should another person�s �annoyance� not allow me to enjoy something that is so important to me and many others of our society? We are in no way hurting someone, or driving them crazy.

We are supposed to be about what is best for all of our people, not a selected few who dislike something. It seems everything is being banned nowadays and it�s scaring me, it almost makes me want to move to Europe where I am not looked down upon for trying to enjoy something I love so much. A little leniency is all I ask.

Nightlife is a very important of any city. Some people can�t see this, but many do� this is why we have thousands of people downtown every weekend at all of our various bars and clubs. Banning new liquor licences and closing down clubs because of �noise� which I call music, my life, my soul, my everything is ridiculous.

I can not let this happen anymore which is why I was inspired to write you this letter. I hope you will read this and will take into consideration the things I have said. I in no way wish to cause any other person grief. I just want to be able to enjoy my music without being looked down on as a �rebel� or negative affect to our society. I work 9-5 Monday to Friday. I am a normal person too� but when it comes to my weekends, music is my escape from the world�s issues and it makes me a better person and helps me work harder to make this country even more beautiful.

Thank you for your time Mr. Mayor. I appreciate you reading this and I hope I get some kind of response from you. You are doing an amazing job and keep up the good work. You will have my vote when the time comes.


If you wish to email me, my email is: [email protected]


Sincerely,




Justin Williams


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 16:05:

sounds a tad too personal...

too many 'I believes' and 'I thinks'....tone down those a bit, and I'm not sure what the noise pollution or public disturbance laws in fact are with respect to decibel levels, but you might wanna check those out and shed a little light on that.

I wouldn't send it the way it is, but you are definately on the right track.

Oh, and use an e-mail addy better than '[email protected]', you want to look professional, you should make the e-mail address look the same.


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 17:20:

^^^+1 on what he said...

but u might want to add more about the way the rest of theworld looks at our city because of all the control especially being a "first world nation" that we live in


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 17:55:

i just had the wierdest thought....








WE SHOULD FIGHT FOR "RAVER" RIGHTS!!!!


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 17:59:

dude....I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic...but iDance dude, iDance.

You remember back at the turn of the millenium when we had 22,000 people in nathan phillips square?


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 18:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
dude....I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic...but iDance dude, iDance.

You remember back at the turn of the millenium when we had 22,000 people in nathan phillips square?



i was joking about the "Raver rights" bit but im tlakin along the lines of the fact that u find all these segments coming up with demnads for rights...i think we SHOULD have rights too being a "free" country


Posted by amb_ on Jul-21-2005 18:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
dude....I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic...but iDance dude, iDance.

You remember back at the turn of the millenium when we had 22,000 people in nathan phillips square?


Was in Ottawa for 2000 but I did have the priviledge of attending 2001.



My offer of support from my company still stands to Jayx1 (hope you're enjoying your vacation!) and anyone else who wants to organise a cohesive effort to make our views known on this subject...

Get in touch.


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 18:22:

the first one was the best one. I remember coming home from work, my sister grabbing me and not even giving me a choice as to whether to go or not. Got there at like 5pm, people are dancing in the fountain, the place is packed, there seemed to be a perminant cloud of weed smoke hanging above my head. Good times, didn't matter what music you were into, they had some of the world's best for everything, all for free.

I miss those days when toronto's scene was so strong the DJs would be willing to volunteer their time to keep it going.

Oh, and the jungle afterparty at turbo was pretty damned good as well. God bless fake IDs.


Posted by Surreal JRS on Jul-21-2005 18:23:

iDance was great. I was there both years.


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 18:28:

I remember freaky flow and flipside flew in from japan and came straight from the airport to play the party.

freaky flow comes on the mic, explains they spent an ungodly amount of time in straight travel just to make it back in time for their set, then goes into a freestyle about mel lastman and the rediculous policies regarding rave control and how we were here and were not going to go away until he took notice of us.


Posted by oldschool420 on Jul-21-2005 19:03:

thanks for the input guys. my intentions were for it to be personal. not writing on your behalf. If you guys want to help me assemble another letter than is talking about us in general then let me know. I'd be more than willing to do what I can


Posted by amb_ on Jul-21-2005 19:05:

quote:
Originally posted by oldschool420
thanks for the input guys. my intentions were for it to be personal. not writing on your behalf.


Personally, I do appreciate and admire your efforts, which obviously speak to a lot of us here... Each one of us can make a difference if we speak up.


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 19:08:

quote:
Originally posted by amb_
Personally, I do appreciate and admire your efforts, which obviously speak to a lot of us here... Each one of us can make a difference if we speak up.


we should all send letters...the more letters they get, the more they get the point rather than us collectively sending a single letter....


Posted by Irishaddict on Jul-21-2005 19:20:

Don't tell him he has your vote. He'll almost immediately throw that away. Why bother helping someone who you know is going to vote for you anyways? That's lost effort on 'potential voters'.

You're on the right track though. If you want help re-phrasing your letter I'd be glad to do so. I've been writing persuasive essays through 3 years of university haha, I think I know some of the tricks.

Also, you should consider making this into a petition of some sort. Large amounts of signatures of potential voters are SCARY to politicians. The more people he sees who agree with you, the more incentive it is for him to do something about it.

E-mail me: [email protected]

Laura


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 19:31:

we should start an online petition and email it then?put it on all clubbing message boards in TO?


Posted by Irishaddict on Jul-21-2005 19:33:

quote:
Originally posted by El Kay Dee
we should start an online petition and email it then?put it on all clubbing message boards in TO?


Online and mail. The more reinforcement it gets the better. I'm really sick of these snobby ******s taking away what we enjoy.

If they enjoy silence so much, move out of the BIGGEST FUCKING CITY IN CANADA.


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Irishaddict
Online and mail. The more reinforcement it gets the better. I'm really sick of these snobby ******s taking away what we enjoy.

If they enjoy silence so much, move out of the BIGGEST FUCKING CITY IN CANADA.


amen.

But really, for us to have a leg to stand on in front of all the politics, I think we need to know a little more about the noise bylaws first.


Posted by Irishaddict on Jul-21-2005 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
amen.

But really, for us to have a leg to stand on in front of all the politics, I think we need to know a little more about the noise bylaws before we try anything.


Ya, I'm researching that as we speak.


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 19:48:

I'll do a re-write of the letter, or redo it as the header for a petition if ya'll want.

I may be an engineer, but I do have 'a way with words', and I can write a little more formally than I've shown either on these boards or in the plumbline.


Posted by Irishaddict on Jul-21-2005 19:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Sly_Guy
I'll do a re-write of the letter, or redo it as the header for a petition if ya'll want.

I may be an engineer, but I do have 'a way with words', and I can write a little more formally than I've shown either on these boards or in the plumbline.


E-mail it to my school addy (posted above) when you're done. I'd like to see it as well.

Anyways - it's beautiful outside. I'm going to Port Dover.


Posted by Sly_Guy on Jul-21-2005 19:56:

give me some info on the noise by-laws when you're done researching. I wouldn't want to write anything about it until I've got at least some idea of what I'm up against with the laws. I'd also like to have some word on indeed how loud it is on the islands during a night at the docks, or a late party going on on the skybar, is there anywhere where I can get that kind of information? Have the islanders done any kind of tests on the decibel levels during their times of complaint?

EDIT:
gone oot.
If anyone finds anything useful on the noise by-laws, post them here, I'll roll them into another letter, which I'll post for all your approval


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 20:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Irishaddict
I'm going to Port Dover.


non-benificial info...


Posted by oldschool420 on Jul-21-2005 20:11:

awesome well i'm glad i've sparked something. I had already sent my letter off this morning. I woke up and I just was fed up with all this crap and I needed to send something for my own sastisfaction. But if there if there is anything I can help you guys to do to further this subject just let me know! It's the least I could do. I agree with you though, more research is a very good idea


Posted by joinT on Jul-21-2005 20:51:

good work jimmy


Posted by LKD on Jul-21-2005 20:55:

quote:
Originally posted by joinT
good work jimmy


imma buy him a cookie...


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