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For the record...
Hmmm...maybe I'm not making myself clear (I guess that's obvious huh?)
So rather than post in several different threads with the same explanation, I'll just post it here.
Basically (my options are):
Immigration:
Not bad. Immigration is a basic necessity for all nations although immigration practices need to be seriously looked at and revised.
If an immigrant (and I don't care WHERE FROM) is known to have existing or previous ties to a listed terrorist group, then how do they get in??
Canada (you'll notice this is the country in which I reside) is a prime example.
Of course, we're working on that 
Multiculturalism:
This pretty much sums what I think about it:
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Multiculturalism is a growing force in America�s universities and public life. In brief, multiculturalism is the view that all cultures, from that of a spirits-worshiping tribe to that of an advanced industrial civilization, are equal in value. Since cultures are obviously not equal in value�not if man�s life is your standard of value�this egalitarian doctrine can have only one purpose: to raze the mountaintops. Multiculturalism seeks to obliterate the value of a free, industrialized civilization (which today exists in the West and elsewhere), by declaring that such a civilization is no better than primitive tribalism. More deeply, it seeks to incapacitate a mind�s ability to distinguish good from evil, to distinguish that which is life promoting from that which is life negating. We are opposed to this destructive doctrine. We hold that moral judgment is essential to life. The ideas and values that animate a particular culture can and should be judged objectively. A culture that values freedom, progress, reason and science, for instance, is good; one that values oppression, stagnation, mysticism, and ignorance is not. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Islam What I don't understand is that if Islam is such a peace-loving religion then I ask the extremists; where is the love?? |
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| Shouldn't I be afraid of a big hug instead of looking for bombs strapped to the inside of your jacket? |
stop thinking like those rednecks ffs.| quote: |
| Not that I have to worry about that here on this side of pond mind you, but it certainly is coming close to home... |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Again, extremism exist in every damn religion in this world,Islam is a peaceful religion,but you cant generalize the whole religion based on a few fuckin extremists. |
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yes be scared verrrrrrrrrrrry scared we all have bombs around us and ready to blow up when you hug us. stop thinking like those rednecks ffs.Then move down south and join your lovely Americans,it is alot safer and they have a great leader who fights terrorism very well and cares about people. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Again, extremism exist in every damn religion in this world,Islam is a peaceful religion,but you cant generalize the whole religion based on a few fuckin extremists. |
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| yes be scared verrrrrrrrrrrry scared we all have bombs around us and ready to blow up when you hug us. stop thinking like those rednecks ffs. |
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| Then move down south and join your lovely Americans,it is alot safer and they have a great leader who fights terrorism very well and cares about people. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I think I've pretty much explained myself on this but for the record extreme Islamist is the issue, not ISLAM itself. |
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| What I don't understand is that if Islam is such a peace-loving religion then I ask the extremists; where is the love?? Shouldn't I be afraid of a big hug instead of looking for bombs strapped to the inside of your jacket? |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley But you then say... |
Just dont say things like "if Islam were such a peace-loving religion" cos that looks like you are saying it isn't a peace-loving religion!
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| Multiculturalism is a growing force in America�s universities and public life. In brief, multiculturalism is the view that all cultures, from that of a spirits-worshiping tribe to that of an advanced industrial civilization, are equal in value. Since cultures are obviously not equal in value�not if man�s life is your standard of value�this egalitarian doctrine can have only one purpose: to raze the mountaintops. Multiculturalism seeks to obliterate the value of a free, industrialized civilization (which today exists in the West and elsewhere), by declaring that such a civilization is no better than primitive tribalism. More deeply, it seeks to incapacitate a mind�s ability to distinguish good from evil, to distinguish that which is life promoting from that which is life negating. We are opposed to this destructive doctrine. We hold that moral judgment is essential to life. The ideas and values that animate a particular culture can and should be judged objectively. A culture that values freedom, progress, reason and science, for instance, is good; one that values oppression, stagnation, mysticism, and ignorance is not. |
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| Originally posted by ProDiGaL I think you should get your opinions from elsewhere. Honestly man you find the worst articles..... Surely you can find a better one than that shit heap above. BTW evil is a man made concept, by try to tell a radical that, including the one who wrote that article. cultures are not equal value? who says so? I can feel chosen one syndrome coming on. Im sure there are good arguments against multicultralism, but this is not one. |
I think it has pro's and cons. You and I both live in multicultural societies so we can see both sides. Could you imagine is we had no mix whatsoever? We would be just as ignorant about other cultures and people as the terrorists we hate so much. I think we have a lot to learn from each other, and this can be done in multicultural society. Ever notice why racism is allways higher in little hick towns? Its because they rarely see someone different, its easier to hate an unfaced group. Like I said, I think we have a lot to share, and peace and undestanding comes with communication.
The cons, people fear they will lose national identity, both the immigrants and the locals. And I can understand that people might want to hangon to traditions but when an immigrant still doenst speak the local godamn language after 10 freakin years thats just disgraceful. I think if you are going to immigrate to a country, you have to be willing to mix right in, not just go over there to make money and reap the benefits (which sadly is the case a lot of the time).
The issue of extemism in Islam is a single slice of a larger pie as you point out, that pie is Multiculturalism.
Examining a related issue, take the movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". The premise of that movie, is that apparently in Greek culture in North America you are not allowed to marry outside your culture.
Let's be honest, that's retarded.
Its a tiny example of problems which are found in cultures all around the world.
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At the end of the day ALL Culture[/B} has two aspects.
Its a [b]skeleton that supports and enhances life (i.e. Halloween is a lot of fun for kids, and Thanksgiving is a great opportunity for families to get together)
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the other side of the coin is that culture is a cage that limits and diminishes life (i.e. Honour Killings, Social Ostracization of those who are different )
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The dream then, is to arrive at a place where culture is all Skeleton, and no cage.
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| Originally posted by Q5echo thats true, but Canada is much less morally corruptable with wonderful healthcare |
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