'99 progressive - Sasha e Digs Style, dead?

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Posted by PlasticSoul on Jul-22-2005 12:05:

'99 progressive - Sasha e Digs Style, dead?

I was wondering...
Check this classic set by Sasha:

Sasha 30-05-99

Force Mass Motion - Lost (In Time)
Z2 - I Want You
Shawshank - Spike
Sander Kleinenberg - Sacred
Space Manouvres - Stage One
Antic - Pulse
Andy Ling - Fixation
New Idols - Tears
Natious - Amber

What are nowadays, the producers yet producing this type of progressive trance?
I think these tracks are so original and the progressive played today is nothing compared to these tracks played by Sasha e Digs in 99/2000.

Is this genre dead?
Example: If u check the recent releases by force mass motion, u ll hear a totally diferent sound, the same for the quivver (space manouvres) productions.

Posted by Ory on Jul-22-2005 12:07:

I'd say it's pretty much dead, and it's a shame. Can't get enough of that sound, when it's just a bit techy, but not really. Nowadays it's all about that twinkly Schulz stuff.

Posted by basd on Jul-22-2005 12:19:

I'm still listening to and spinning a similar kind of progressive (though be it maybe a bit housier than the tracks you mentioned) every now and then, it's a sound I can't get enough of, as opposed to todays progressive unfortunately.

Check this thread for quite a few good recommendations in this particular style.

Tough to obtain some of the monster tunes from that period on 12", though.

Posted by PlasticSoul on Jul-22-2005 15:10:

Ory: totally agreed, I like some tunes schulz/armin spin but most stuff is the same 4 minutes intro, 1 minute of a nonsense-novibe-no-feeling breakdown, and 4 minutes of end to "fill" minutes...
example: 90% of "couldharbour reconstructions".

basd: thanks, im reading that thread, good music there...

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-22-2005 15:36:

i'd say its very rare to come across tunes as quality in this genre these days...every once in a while you get lucky. see the way i view the whole electro house thing that sasha and others have been doing...i kinda feel like its a branch out of this older style because it brings back the same innovations, but its a little different....

Posted by jonze on Jul-22-2005 15:41:

i think the sound went away when they stopped the northern exposure series.

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-22-2005 16:51:

search harder. its out there. listen to any GDJB and you will hear lots of stuff like this. The Flash Brothers set was AMAZING, one of the best sets I have heard this year.

Posted by MarathonMan on Jul-22-2005 17:07:

Its not dead! The likes of Dekay, Shiloh, Chable etc....have taken over the baton and continue to push prog forward!

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-22-2005 17:10:

quote:
Originally posted by MarathonMan
Its not dead! The likes of Dekay, Shiloh, Chable etc....have taken over the baton and continue to push prog forward!

see i like these artists, but their style i don't really see as similar because its not as aggressive. i liked the old prog house sound because it was so banging...lots of great tunes...upbeat...of course there are still tracks like that out there, but they come from mostly more obscure artists and you really have to search them out.

what i've noticed the last couple of weeks is that 2003 has a lot of this kinda old school prog house sound...you just have to search them out and enjoy

Posted by Ory on Jul-22-2005 17:27:

quote:
Originally posted by MarathonMan
Its not dead! The likes of Dekay, Shiloh, Chable etc....have taken over the baton and continue to push prog forward!

They're much housier. What Sasha played was essentially trance, but with small house influences, and it wasn't as epic as something Tiesto/Ferry would play back then.

Posted by DJ Soundwave FL on Jul-22-2005 18:03:

Another one living in the past!

Get over it people it's 2005.

In 2010 are we all going to still be talking about '99?

Well there was 1969 that everybody still talks about. I guess history repeats itself.

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-22-2005 18:06:

There is stuff being made that is just as good if not better than the stuff Sasha & diggers were playing back in the day. For example here is a TL from CD 1 of Northern Exposure Expeditions with comments about tunes or artists that are similar.

1. Tyrantanic - Breeder....if you like that old Breeder sound, check the new productions like Mathew Dekay- Bad, or David West

2. Space Manoeuvres - Stage One....Tilt and Andy Moor still makes alot of sounds that are like the old Space Manuevres.

3. Morning Glory - Union Jack .......This is Ozgur Can's sound to a tee!

4. Lost Without You - Jayn Hanna......This track was done by Markus Schulz back in the day, you can hear how much he has progressed.

5. Expand The Room - the Light....Grey Area, Burufunk all make tunes like this.

6. Belfunk - Sasha David West best compares to this side of Sasha back in the day.

7. Know You Love Me Too - Chris Raven....Sounds like Santiago Nino to m, also some of the new Max Graham sidechain stuff like Automatic Weapon.

8. Micromega - Blue Planet Corporation....sounds like a million prog tunes.

9. Free - Mono Culture love this tune, has some Gabriel & Dresden/Nalin & Kane feel to it.

The scene is not as bad of shape as the elitists claim.

Posted by Ory on Jul-22-2005 18:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
The scene is not as bad of shape as the elitists claim.

My god. Listen to Schulz all you want, but it sounds nothing like what progressive trance was like from 97 to 99. The synths used by todays "progressive" artists are much weaker sounding, not to mention the basslines and drumwork which have more to do with progressive house than with trance.

Posted by klappa on Jul-22-2005 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
There is stuff being made that is just as good if not better than the stuff Sasha & diggers were playing back in the day. For example here is a TL from CD 1 of Northern Exposure Expeditions with comments about tunes or artists that are similar.

1. Tyrantanic - Breeder....if you like that old Breeder sound, check the new productions like Mathew Dekay- Bad, or David West

2. Space Manoeuvres - Stage One....Tilt and Andy Moor still makes alot of sounds that are like the old Space Manuevres.

3. Morning Glory - Union Jack .......This is Ozgur Can's sound to a tee!

4. Lost Without You - Jayn Hanna......This track was done by Markus Schulz back in the day, you can hear how much he has progressed.

5. Expand The Room - the Light....Grey Area, Burufunk all make tunes like this.

6. Belfunk - Sasha David West best compares to this side of Sasha back in the day.

7. Know You Love Me Too - Chris Raven....Sounds like Santiago Nino to m, also some of the new Max Graham sidechain stuff like Automatic Weapon.

8. Micromega - Blue Planet Corporation....sounds like a million prog tunes.

9. Free - Mono Culture love this tune, has some Gabriel & Dresden/Nalin & Kane feel to it.

The scene is not as bad of shape as the elitists claim.

actually i don't know what you talking about because those artists you mentioned doesn't sound at all like those sasha tracks back in the day and i think Ozgur Khan sounds zillion of years from Union Jacks productions.

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-22-2005 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
actually i don't know what you talking about because those artists you mentioned doesn't sound at all like those sasha tracks back in the day and i think Ozgur Khan sounds zillion of years from Union Jacks productions.

what do you mean? it's all techno...it all sounds the same too...

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jul-22-2005 20:38:

Posted by Sand Leaper on Jul-22-2005 20:58:

Did he just compare Union Jack to Ozgur Can? Fucking hell.

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
4. Lost Without You - Jayn Hanna......This track was done by Markus Schulz back in the day, you can hear how much he has regressed.

There, it makes more sense now. And Markus only remixed this tune with CL McSpadden as Edge Factor.

Posted by shades_of_gray on Jul-22-2005 21:22:

Re: '99 progressive - Sasha e Digs Style, dead?

quote:
Originally posted by PlasticSoul
I was wondering...
Check this classic set by Sasha:

Sasha 30-05-99

Force Mass Motion - Lost (In Time)
Z2 - I Want You
Shawshank - Spike
Sander Kleinenberg - Sacred
Space Manouvres - Stage One
Antic - Pulse
Andy Ling - Fixation
New Idols - Tears
Natious - Amber

this is probably one of my fav sasha sets, especially when he dropped way out west 'spike' great tune

Posted by RebeL9 on Jul-22-2005 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Durrrtysouth
There is stuff being made that is just as good if not better than the stuff Sasha & diggers were playing back in the day. For example here is a TL from CD 1 of Northern Exposure Expeditions with comments about tunes or artists that are similar.

1. Tyrantanic - Breeder....if you like that old Breeder sound, check the new productions like Mathew Dekay- Bad, or David West

2. Space Manoeuvres - Stage One....Tilt and Andy Moor still makes alot of sounds that are like the old Space Manuevres.

3. Morning Glory - Union Jack .......This is Ozgur Can's sound to a tee!

4. Lost Without You - Jayn Hanna......This track was done by Markus Schulz back in the day, you can hear how much he has progressed.

5. Expand The Room - the Light....Grey Area, Burufunk all make tunes like this.

6. Belfunk - Sasha David West best compares to this side of Sasha back in the day.

7. Know You Love Me Too - Chris Raven....Sounds like Santiago Nino to m, also some of the new Max Graham sidechain stuff like Automatic Weapon.

8. Micromega - Blue Planet Corporation....sounds like a million prog tunes.

9. Free - Mono Culture love this tune, has some Gabriel & Dresden/Nalin & Kane feel to it.

The scene is not as bad of shape as the elitists claim.

that was the biggest pile of nonsense ive read in a single post. The difference between Breeders sound and David Wests sound is huuuuge. I doubt youve heard Breeder.

Posted by Omega_Blue on Jul-22-2005 23:01:

Posted by stevieboy32808 on Jul-23-2005 01:03:

It's not dead...just check out these tracks!

In my opinion, it's very alive you just have to filter out all the garbage yourself. Also, more or less here are some songs from this year or last year's that are worth checking out. They are examples of the progressive genre, whether house or trance.

Hammer & Bennett - Language (santiago nino dub tech mix)
Jose Amnesia Presents Tiffany - Heaven Drops
Elevation - Largo
Audioholics - External Key
Flash Brothers - Amen
Solar Stone - Day By Day (red jerry dub mix)
Benz & MD - Still Rain

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-23-2005 02:31:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
that was the biggest pile of nonsense ive read in a single post. The difference between Breeders sound and David Wests sound is huuuuge. I doubt youve heard Breeder.

I was referring to that track in particular you ass-munch. This song is alot more melodic than Breeders other tracks. Twilo Thunder and The Chain are alot more hard than this track. When I listen to Tyrantanic and try to compare someone today who has the same layers and depth in their production, one of the artists I think of is David West.

Posted by Durrrtysouth on Jul-23-2005 02:35:

Re: It's not dead...just check out these tracks!

quote:
Originally posted by stevieboy32808

Hammer & Bennett - Language (santiago nino dub tech mix)
Jose Amnesia Presents Tiffany - Heaven Drops
Elevation - Largo
Audioholics - External Key
Flash Brothers - Amen
Solar Stone - Day By Day (red jerry dub mix)
Benz & MD - Still Rain

Good list, Also people dont seem to remember, most of the music on the Northern Exposure CDs were tunes that had been released way before the Sasha and Digweed picked them up for their compilations. If a popular DJ made a CD with some tunes as old as 2 years on a CD today, it would not go over well with fans like it did in the Northern Exposure days.

Posted by stevebutabi on Jul-23-2005 02:57:

aside from the 'mcprog' stuff there are still a few good prog trance tracks that are coming out... for example that new record on little mountain recordings- Max Grahm- she doesn't know is f'n slamming IMO.

that lucas and beltran record 'trust me' or something like that is really good too.

they're few and far apart though i must agree... you're better off with the nice dark stuff.

Posted by kush paintings on Jul-23-2005 03:17:

I am actually amazed at what progressive is popular and what isn't. There are a few artists out there, who I see as some of the most talented producers today.

Alex Stealthy
Habersham

In my opinion, Gabriel and Dresden deserve the popularity they recieve. However, I know some would disagree. I do see progressive as a very wattered down genre, unforunately. I say, unfortunately because if you listen to tracks by the likes of Stealthy, Habersham, Nathan Fake, you can see how original and at times emotionally driving progressive can be.

I think the watered down progressive sound that seems to surface more often than I would like to see is comprised of interesting sounds, but the structure of the song is never driving, it never goes anywhere. While, Ozgur Can has produced some great tunes, he has also mastered this sound it would seem. James Holden, another great producer is guilty of this from time to time. I believe part of the problem is the popular producers are producing far too many tracks. I see progressive as the genre that will continue to evolve, continue to expirement. I think it is a very fluid genre in that sense and for that reason it should have more respect than it recieves. To me, trance really hasn't evolved in the way progressive has. Regardless of wether or not you like the "new" progressive sound, you have to admit that is continuely evolving. I do not know if I can say the same about trance.

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