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Police shoot terrorist dead.

Developing: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europ...tube/index.html

i heard about this. Have they said what they believe of him being related to the bombings yesterday? Man british cops are going to become like Los angelous cops. Shoot at the suspect first than ask questions.

The attitude of people that think "You've must have done something wrong or else you've wouldn't have gotten arrested" is a tired cliche from a mindset of the presumption of guilt before innocence.

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'Man shot dead was not a bomber' Reuters LONDON: A man shot dead by police at a London Underground station on Friday was not one of the four bombers who tried to attack the city's transport system on Thursday, Sky Television reported citing security sources. "This is what I am picking up from security sources that the man who was shot this (Friday) morning at Stockwell tube wasn't one of those four bombers that police are hunting," Sky reporter Martin Brunt said. A spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police said only: "the gentleman shot at Stockwell today has yet to be identified, so it would be impossible to link him to anything at this stage." Police shot the man a day after four attempted bomb attacks in London and 15 days after bombers killed more than 50 people in the British capital. Police said the shooting was part of an operation directly linked to an "anti-terrorist" probe. They said they were still looking for four men in connection with Thursday's attacks, which caused chaos but killed no one.

http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitem...Stories&Topic=0

apparently(sp) they tackled him, got him to the gorund and shoot him 5 times.



seems very american.

Sounds like a scene right out of a movie:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europ...ness/index.html

All the more reason people need to film stuff like that before it's filtered through the mass media. No one will ever know the truth until someone who was there and saw it all can bravely come forward and say something about why this man was killed.

I could just fucking snap. I really have had it up to here with not only other people, but also Americans sayins "oh, that's so American". Give me a break. As though police brutality doesn't happen all over the world. Michael, it actually sounds very human. In the spur of the moment when emotions can sometimes overried instincts and common sense, awful things can happen. This man may be a terrorist, may not. This would not be the first time police, from anywhere in the world, made a mistake like this.

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Originally posted by kush paintings As though police brutality doesn't happen all over the world.

It does happen:

Moscow Police Beat Up Cosmonaut in Racist Attack

Looks like he was pretty involved to me...at least the police seemed to think so.

(as if police are just going to tackle somebody at random and shoot them... )

Looks like the british cops (which normally don't carry guns) are given the authority to use it:

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Gun use rules changed after July 7 London subway commuters read the morning headlines on Friday. (AP Photo) While most police in Britain do not carry guns, officers with special licences can do so. The standard policy saying officers should not use a gun except as a last resort was changed after the July 7 bombings, giving police the authority to shoot suspected suicide bombers first and ask questions later.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/natio...don-050722.html

IIRC the bloke they shot had been under surveillance and they were chasing him (ie he was running away from them and headed to the tube) He did not have a bag but had one of those big winter jackets (its pretty hot here at the mo) I haven't heard yet if had anything on him but when all things considered, the police would have to assume that he did, hence him being shot

It did strike me as surprising tho as I was not even aware that plain clothes police were armed as the armed police are usually a special unit, and I wondered if it was the security service instead but they aren't allowed to carry guns either I think. I also found it odd they shot him five times when one to the head would have done the trick (esp as they have been ordered to aim for the head not the body incase they trigger a bomb, and I doubt they shot him in the head five times)

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Originally posted by George Smiley I also found it odd they shot him five times when one to the head would have done the trick (esp as they have been ordered to aim for the head not the body incase they trigger a bomb, and I doubt they shot him in the head five times)

They were probably just nervous.

i dont see how it got classified as "american."
american cops do that over here and they will pay the price.
thats why i was surprised to read that the dude was shot as he was on the ground.

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Originally posted by George Smiley I think. I also found it odd they shot him five times when one to the head would have done the trick (esp as they have been ordered to aim for the head not the body incase they trigger a bomb, and I doubt they shot him in the head five times)

When your blood flows with adreniline you think with instinct, not logic. Wide-perspective gives in to narrow focus. Things don't always have to be logical to make sense.

If one would question anything it'd be if they were going to shot him, why not shot him before he enters the station and endangers the masses?

Good deal. They shot them dead instead of wounding them. Hate it when you have to treat wounded terrorists who are only deserving of another round...


[[[smoke]]]

For all you guys know, he had his hand on the trigger of a bomb.

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Originally posted by TVG For all you guys know, he had his hand on the trigger of a bomb.

Have you read that or have you assumed that? I haven't heard any of the official details yet

london police arrest second suspect
Police Make 2nd Arrest in London Bombings By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 11 minutes ago



LONDON - Police investigating this week's attempted subway and bus bombings said Saturday they arrested a second man in the same south London neighborhood where officers already had detained one suspect and shot another dead in front of horrified commuters.

Two days after the second terrorist attack in London in as many weeks, thousands of officers fanned out in a huge manhunt amid hopes the publication of images of four suspected attackers would lead to their capture.

The Metropolitan Police said the second arrest late Friday was "in connection with our inquiries" into Thursday's attacks. The first suspect, whose identity has also not been released, was being questioned at a high-security London police station.

Police said they had a good response to the release of the photos, taken from the British capital's ubiquitous closed-circuit surveillance cameras, which have proved a boon for investigators.

Authorities gave few details about the arrests, which were carried out under anti-terrorism legislation Friday in the Stockwell area of south London, where another man was shot dead by plainclothes officers. Stockwell is near Oval station, the scene of one of Thursday's bungled bombings.

Police would not say whether either the man killed or the men they arrested were among the four men suspected of carrying bombs onto three subway trains and a bus on Thursday. Media reported widely that the man who was shot was not one of the bombers.

The bombs failed to detonate properly and no one was injured in the attacks, which echoed the much deadlier blasts two weeks earlier that killed 52 people and four suspected bombers.

The startlingly clear closed-circuit TV images of the suspects stared from the front pages of British newspapers Saturday. "Faces of the four bombers," said the Daily Telegraph. "The Fugitives" said The Times, while the Daily Mail labeled them "Human Bombs."

One image shows a stocky man in a "NEW YORK" sweat shirt running through a station. Another depicts a man in a white baseball cap and a T-shirt adorned with palm trees. Two others are in dark clothes, slightly obscured by a poor camera angle.

Authorities released the images Friday as snipers and bomb squads were on alert across the nervous city.

It was another day of high tension, disruption and fear on the London Underground. The union for subway and bus drivers said workers would be justified in staying away from work if the government fails to take more precautions to make the operators safe.

"I think they're going to strike again," commuter Warren West, 27, said of the bombers. "I think they're doing to London what's happening in Iraq."

Heavily armed officers patrolled the British capital with clear instructions to stop suicide bombers � if necessary, with a shot to the head.

"If you are dealing with someone who might be a suicide bomber, if they remain conscious, they could trigger plastic explosives or whatever device is on them," said Mayor Ken Livingstone. "Therefore, overwhelmingly in these circumstances, it is going to be a shoot-to-kill policy."

Some Muslims and civil libertarians expressed concern about the police's Stockwell station shooting of the suspect � described by witnesses as being of South Asian appearance and wearing a heavy padded coat. Police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him in the head and torso, an eyewitness said.

"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him," passenger Mark Whitby told the BBC. "He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified."

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said the shooting was "directly linked" to the investigation.

"The man who was shot was under police observation because he had emerged from a house that was itself under observation because it was linked to the investigation of yesterday's incidents," police said in a statement. "He was then followed by surveillance officers to the station. His clothing and his behavior at the station added to their suspicions."

Police haven't said whether the suspect was carrying a bomb.

Thursday's bombs contained homemade explosives that only partly detonated, police said, adding that the attacks bore resemblance to the July 7 attacks, also on three subway trains and a bus. It was not clear if the explosives were of the same type.

A statement posted Friday on an Islamic Web site in the name of an al-Qaida-linked group claimed responsibility for Thursday's attacks. Authorities, however, were skeptical. The group, Abu Hafs al Masri Brigades, has also claimed responsibility for the July 7 bombings � as it did for the 2003 New York City blackout and many other events.

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Originally posted by kush paintings I could just fucking snap. I really have had it up to here with not only other people, but also Americans sayins "oh, that's so American". Give me a break. As though police brutality doesn't happen all over the world. Michael, it actually sounds very human. In the spur of the moment when emotions can sometimes overried instincts and common sense, awful things can happen. This man may be a terrorist, may not. This would not be the first time police, from anywhere in the world, made a mistake like this.

It was very human? tell that to his family.

As for the officers being under pressure and adrenilane puming, that the most pathetic excuse i have ever seen.

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Originally posted by smokeape Good deal. They shot them dead instead of wounding them. Hate it when you have to treat wounded terrorists who are only deserving of another round...

Good thing he didnt have to do with the bombings tho according the Brittish police force!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm

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Shot man not connected to bombing A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed. A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police. The man was shot dead after police followed him from a south London flat to Stockwell Tube station on Friday. Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus. The statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification. "We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005. "For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets." The statement confirmed the man was followed by police from a block of flats that was under surveillance. The man's death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

fuckn brilliant.


Truly brilliant. They have just created a load more bombers now after this cock up.

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Originally posted by Michael19 As for the officers being under pressure and adrenilane puming, that the most pathetic excuse i have ever seen.

Its not an excuse, its an explination based on countless research into the field. Such things can be overcome by controlling the environment around you and how an officer sets the circumstances for the environment. Strict training and adherence to protocol is often needed.

Its the same research that explains the counter-intutive reality that a cop alone on patrol is safer than with a cop with a buddy.


Point is most likely the guy who shot the coated person is not a racist nor any more or less violent then your average guy, yet put him in a certain set of circumstances and the end result is garuanteed.

well hopefully the muslim community won't act as the blacks did when the cops got acquited for beating up rodney king. i mean they desearve to be really pisssed of but hopefully they won't use means of violence to release their anger.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Its not an excuse, its an explination based on countless research into the field. Such things can be overcome by controlling the environment around you and how an officer sets the circumstances for the environment. Strict training and adherence to protocol is often needed. Its the same research that explains the counter-intutive reality that a cop alone on patrol is safer than with a cop with a buddy. Point is most likely the guy who shot the coated person is not a racist nor any more or less violent then your average guy, yet put him in a certain set of circumstances and the end result is garuanteed.

if the chap cant do his job he should be sacked. His job is too act accordinly under pressure. Shooting someone 5 times in the head doesnt seem like acting properly to me. Seems like he got a rush of blood to the act.

THats unacceptable imo.

Dead men tell no tales.

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