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Posted by tribu on Jul-22-2005 20:01:

Microsoft Windows 2000, Microsoft Windows XP...

Microsoft Windows Vista.

Apparently, Microsoft chose this name for it's newest incarnation of Windows (codename - Longhorn)which, according to the Redmond software conglomorate, should be beta testing this fall and debuting next year. This name was chosen to describe the clarity of the digital world which Windows can display. Aside from having all the latest security patches and more secure encryption (and more than a handful of anti-piracy safegaurds, Microsoft is also promising an updated user interface, faster search functions, and virtual folders.

All in all, some wonder how stable this first release will be. Microsoft does not have a history of stable first releases as their Second Editions and sceurity patches have shown. Though insisting that they've started from scratch on the code, Microsoft has alot of old features and lines which will undoubtedly make their way into this version. This could be a good product, about a year after it's release when all the bugs of mass distribution are worked out.

CNN article

Posted by smallSHEEP on Jul-22-2005 20:03:

Well hopefully Apple will port OS X onto PC soon.

Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jul-22-2005 20:08:

*cough* unix! *cough*

Just kidding.
But seriously, I have to buy a new laptop this month and I need to partition it with Windows/Linux... has anyone here done this before to their own?

/hijack

Posted by Coup on Jul-22-2005 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
*cough* unix! *cough*

Just kidding.
But seriously, I have to buy a new laptop this month and I need to partition it with Windows/Linux... has anyone here done this before to their own?

/hijack

theres plenty of guides on the internet. i have 2 x windows XP on this system (for reasons i cant be arsed to explain). bottom line on how i did it was:

started with a blank formatted drive with only the master partition. installed windows xp on it. then used partition magic to make a D partition. i set the D partition to be half the size of the hdd, so i had 2 equal partitions (obviously size would be ur choice). i then set this partition to logical. (hdd partition has 2 main levels, primary, and logical) and booted back up with the xp cd in. when i got to the xp installation, i just selected the D partition to install to. it installed windows. changed the time to select which OS in boot.ini in c:\, and now everytime i reboot, i get 10 seconds to choose between which OS i want. no need for a boot manager. the guides i find make it sound alot harder than it is.

Posted by tribu on Jul-22-2005 21:34:

I started with a clean (80 GB) hard disk, no partitions.

Using Linux's setup, I created a Reiser partition and a swap partition, then installed Linux onto it.

Once Linux was installed and setup, I booted my Windows (2000) cd to install Windows. I created an NTFS partition and installed it, creating other partitions for personal use with the remaining space.

Once Windows was ready, I booted my linux cd and restored the Grub boot loader. It immediately recognized borth partitions and gives me a nice gooey when Im booting.

Posted by placebo on Jul-22-2005 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
I started with a clean (80 GB) hard disk, no partitions.

Using Linux's setup, I created a Reiser partition and a swap partition, then installed Linux onto it.

Once Linux was installed and setup, I booted my Windows (2000) cd to install Windows. I created an NTFS partition and installed it, creating other partitions for personal use with the remaining space.

Once Windows was ready, I booted my linux cd and restored the Grub boot loader. It immediately recognized borth partitions and gives me a nice gooey when Im booting.

What distro of Linux do you use? I'm currently running Gentoo with GNOME 2.10 as my Desktop Manager, its kinda slow, but the system I'm using is a P2 IBM thinkpad. Only thing I'm having trouble with is getting my wireless internet to work, fucking pain in the ass. I really wish there was a straight forward guide for it, but there isn't.

Posted by tribu on Jul-22-2005 23:03:

SuSE 9.0 pro.

I got it for 20 bucks, and its been worth every penny. The user community is a decent size too which makes problem/solution an often painless process...

Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Jul-22-2005 23:15:

Thanks for the info, guys. I think I might be able to do this myself...

Posted by DjConfessions on Jul-23-2005 02:43:

i use windows only because of the vast and diverse libraries of software compatible with it.

My friend shared his linux knowledge with me:
Linux is the best operating system but i and no one likes it. Why would i use an operating system i don't like? because i can change it into whatever i want, unlike windows. Once i've configured it, its an operating system i can appreciate

Posted by smokeape on Jul-23-2005 02:52:

Re: Microsoft Windows 2000, Microsoft Windows XP...

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
Microsoft Windows Vista.

Apparently, Microsoft chose this name for it's newest incarnation of Windows (codename - Longhorn)which, according to the Redmond software conglomorate, should be beta testing this fall and debuting next year. This name was chosen to describe the clarity of the digital world which Windows can display. Aside from having all the latest security patches and more secure encryption (and more than a handful of anti-piracy safegaurds, Microsoft is also promising an updated user interface, faster search functions, and virtual folders.

All in all, some wonder how stable this first release will be. Microsoft does not have a history of stable first releases as their Second Editions and sceurity patches have shown. Though insisting that they've started from scratch on the code, Microsoft has alot of old features and lines which will undoubtedly make their way into this version. This could be a good product, about a year after it's release when all the bugs of mass distribution are worked out.

This is supposed to give us the 64 bit file system, you fool. I'm slobbering already. We've lived with 32 bit file systems since Windows 95. You apparently don't know the quantum leap...

[[[smoke]]]

kd lang - Constant Craving

Posted by tribu on Jul-23-2005 03:05:

Re: Re: Microsoft Windows 2000, Microsoft Windows XP...

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
This is supposed to give us the 64 bit file system, you fool. I'm slobbering already. We've lived with 32 bit file systems since Windows 95. You apparently don't know the quantum leap...

I know whats there, but you have to imagine that if next year is the target date, they'll be releasing 32 and 64 bit versions. I dont have the right processor, so Ill be one of the 32 bit users (most likely). Since the 64 bit system is the big focus here, I wouldn't doubt the 32 bit version will suffer.

Or an I wrong, and older chips will handle the larger architecture?

Posted by smokeape on Jul-23-2005 03:08:

Re: Re: Re: Microsoft Windows 2000, Microsoft Windows XP...

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
I know whats there, but you have to imagine that if next year is the target date, they'll be releasing 32 and 64 bit versions. I dont have the right processor, so Ill be one of the 32 bit users (most likely). Since the 64 bit system is the big focus here, I wouldn't doubt the 32 bit version will suffer.

Or an I wrong, and older chips will handle the larger architecture?

No, older chips cannot handle it. That's why they delayed the release for the last couple of years until off the shelf hardware stuff caught up. The software has to be profitable after all and will come installed with off the shelf computers...

[[[smoke]]]

Posted by tribu on Jul-23-2005 03:13:

So are there plans for a 32bit version? I know I've heard the plans are there, but nothing from Microsoft.

Posted by DjConfessions on Jul-23-2005 03:18:

i believed there was only going to be a 64-bit version, fading away the 32-bit systems run today. I think Longhorne is much like the leap from 3.1 to 95.
also i think i remember hearing the recomended memory requirement was 1 gig.
Also Windows Explorer using a 3D file management system

Posted by smokeape on Jul-23-2005 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by tribu
So are there plans for a 32bit version? I know I've heard the plans are there, but nothing from Microsoft.

Doubt it. Microsoft is phasing this in with chip engineering from hardware makers who have retooled a year or two ago. No loss in functionality from existing computers using XP, but new operating software will determine compatibility of hardware with new software requirements and probably not allow you to install it if you don't have the power (good deal for the normal idiot with an old computer). Windows 95 let you install despite decrepit power on old computers and all you got was a slower than hell system, and I mean realllly slow... Hope they learned their lessons as a result.

[[[smoke]]]

Posted by TigerClaw on Jul-23-2005 06:37:

I dont know if upgrading to longhorn would be a good idea, I read something about Longhorn, That it would require you to have a monitor with the built in DRM, Meaning, If you have older more resent monitors, When playing an HD video on it, Longhorn will downgrade the video to a lower quality cause you dont have a monitor with the built in DRM, I read about it here.

Posted by TigerClaw on Jul-23-2005 06:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Nou
You wouldnt get this eitherway then...

Besides, DRM requires a HDCM (i think thats what its called) connection, and well if you have an older monitor you dont have that anyways.

No, What I meant is, If you have your regular monitor, Be it a CRT or LCD that doesnt have the DRM built in, High quality video will downgrade to a lower quality cause Longhorn will detect that you a non DRM monitor.

Posted by djkoolaide on Jul-23-2005 08:26:

quote:
Originally posted by TigerClaw
I dont know if upgrading to longhorn would be a good idea, I read something about Longhorn, That it would require you to have a monitor with the built in DRM, Meaning, If you have older more resent monitors, When playing an HD video on it, Longhorn will downgrade the video to a lower quality cause you dont have a monitor with the built in DRM, I read about it here.

Seriously dude, don't worry about it. All DRM does is cause inconvenience for the average user. As long as you have some knowledge, you'll be able to get around any type of DRM that will ever be implemented. These stupid companies just don't get it--their DRM WILL BE CRACKED, and it's just hurting sales for them because normal users can't figure the shit out.

So yeah. Don't worry about it.

Posted by TigerClaw on Jul-23-2005 09:11:

quote:
Originally posted by djkoolaide
Seriously dude, don't worry about it. All DRM does is cause inconvenience for the average user. As long as you have some knowledge, you'll be able to get around any type of DRM that will ever be implemented. These stupid companies just don't get it--their DRM WILL BE CRACKED, and it's just hurting sales for them because normal users can't figure the shit out.

So yeah. Don't worry about it.

I'll stick with XP for a long time, I dont think my systen could handle Longhorn since that OS will be built around the 64bit CPUs.

Posted by loconet on Jul-23-2005 18:06:

As I reported on the Toronto forums...

Apparently vista in Latvian means chicken.

And the the source code was leaked..

code:
int main( int argc, char * argv[] )
{
  float value;
 
// splashscreen("Windows 3.1");
// splashscreen("Windows 95");
// splashscreen("Windows Me");
// splashscreen("Windows 2000");
// splashscreen("Windows XP");
  splashscreen("Windows Vista");
  grindHarddrive();
  showDestop(DISABLE_CURSOR);
  wait(20000);
  showDesktop(ENABLE_CURSOR);
 
  while( rand() > 0.9 )
  {
      doWork();
  }
 
  bluescreen(geterror(rand());
  return 0;
}

Posted by DjConfessions on Jul-24-2005 01:05:

nice code

it seems that MS intentionally puts errors in their OS so they can claim "our NEW OS doesn't have these problems anymore" and repeat the process every 5 years

Posted by Cloudburst on Jul-24-2005 01:33:

quote:
Originally posted by loconet
As I reported on the Toronto forums...

Apparently vista in Latvian means chicken.

And the the source code was leaked..

code:
int main( int argc, char * argv[] ) { float value; // splashscreen("Windows 3.1"); // splashscreen("Windows 95"); // splashscreen("Windows Me"); // splashscreen("Windows 2000"); // splashscreen("Windows XP"); splashscreen("Windows Vista"); grindHarddrive(); showDestop(DISABLE_CURSOR); wait(20000); showDesktop(ENABLE_CURSOR); while( rand() > 0.9 ) { doWork(); } bluescreen(geterror(rand()); return 0; }

Best part is the commented splash screens...

Posted by Ian on Jul-24-2005 10:44:

quote:
Originally posted by TigerClaw
I'll stick with XP for a long time, I dont think my systen could handle Longhorn since that OS will be built around the 64bit CPUs.

I'm sure if you wrote to Bill Gates and asked nicely, he might come out with windows - CLaW edition, one so simplistic that even your great self could work it

run dos run

Posted by JasonThomas on Jul-24-2005 10:54:

quote:
Originally posted by smallSHEEP
Well hopefully Apple will port OS X onto PC soon.

nope

quote:
Originally posted by DjConfessions
i believed there was only going to be a 64-bit version, fading away the 32-bit systems run today. I think Longhorne is much like the leap from 3.1 to 95.
also i think i remember hearing the recomended memory requirement was 1 gig.
Also Windows Explorer using a 3D file management system

why wouldn't there be a 32-bit version, Intel hasn't really come close to making a marketable 64-bit processor (and we all know MS and Intel are butt buddies). I'm almost certain the next version of windows will be fully 32-bit compatable and probably wont utilize 64-bit to it's fullest.

Posted by Cloudburst on Jul-24-2005 18:38:

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