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Eminem - Stan

I'm not THAT into hip hop, but i do enjoy a nice riff or two.
well, my friend let me borrow his Marshall Mathers CD and i took a listen to it. I don't know why i did, considering i am very much against music that is vulgar and demeaning, but i've heard about eminem talking about the inner city problems.

nothing really appealed to me, but i really enjoyed Stan. Soothing vocals from Dido, the guitar strums throughout, the give/recieve lyrics from the same vocalist. i ripped it and put it on my harddrive and its going to my shuffle.

u like u like u like it?

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Marshall Mathers LP was the only Eminem album I actually really liked. It was however the only one I listened to fully, but I've heard other songs off other albums, and they don't match up to MM.

Stan's a good song, but not my fav.

The only 2 Eminem songs I like are:

'Stan' and 'Toy Soldiers'

Stan is a fantastic song...

i like that video where him and eminem keep popping out of his body is it the same song?

i thought his first two albums were excellent even though i'm not a very big hip hop fan. stan is overrated imo though.

i liked stan. although i think it appealed more to those normally not into rap, as opposed to fans of the genre

i dont know ..
we have to make a decision on who "really" did the original beats for the song ??

the original producers who put down the song "thank you" for dido, or eminem and his crew for the song "stan" ??

who do you think did the original beats for the song ?

i think dido and her crew did most of the song, and eminem put his name on it, and called it 'stan' .

Slim Shady LP is so much better than Marshall Mathers LP... god, "My Fault" is fucking priceless

fav is still "My Name Is"

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch i dont know .. we have to make a decision on who "really" did the original beats for the song ?? the original producers who put down the song "thank you" for dido, or eminem and his crew for the song "stan" ?? who do you think did the original beats for the song ? i think dido and her crew did most of the song, and eminem put his name on it, and called it 'stan' .

ehrm... the chorus was just from her own song "Thank You", but Eminem got her permission for using it

and yeh, cool song

Eminem would be the only kind of rap id listen. The rest is gay. Omfgz baby i want your sweaty boobz adn taht money cash hoez. fucking n00bs.

MC Hammer - U Cant touch this

enough said!@#$%!%^

Eminem is commercial® crap.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch i dont know .. we have to make a decision on who "really" did the original beats for the song ?? the original producers who put down the song "thank you" for dido, or eminem and his crew for the song "stan" ?? who do you think did the original beats for the song ? i think dido and her crew did most of the song, and eminem put his name on it, and called it 'stan' .

Yes I beleive the Dido song came out first and it was later ised by Em.

i never really liked this song. i always thought that he had some funny stuff, but i found 'stan' kind of egotistical. i mean a fan that is so obsessed with him that he kills his girlfriend then himself....kind of seems like a wierd and egotistical topic that he would even think that fans love him *that* much....

i cant stand 'toy soldiers' b/c i didnt like the song when it came out in the 80s in the first place.

I just plain dont like eminem.

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Originally posted by apostrophe Marshall Mathers LP was the only Eminem album I actually really liked.

+1

I can't believe nobody's mentioned Purple Pills yet

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Originally posted by kutvolkots Eminem is commercial® crap.

Eminem? Not really. He indeed has TALENT. His rhymes and lyrics are often smart and complex. But with his new album when he went all political and shit...just doesn't make sense. True hip-hop has been killed by morons like P. Diddy and Bad boy records and Biggie and Tupac.

The beat for "my name is" is a Chaz & Dave track.

Don't know who chav and dave are?

Search.

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Originally posted by Lepanto True hip-hop has been killed by morons like P. Diddy and Bad boy records and Biggie and Tupac.

Terrible comment. These men didn't kill the scene; those who did nothing but copy them did. P. Diddy, not as much but Biggie and Tupac took rap music to places it had never been. Everyone else saw it was commercially successful and jumped on board. This killed the momentum rap had. Sadly, the same can be said for trance, progressive, and most other genres of music (pop, American country, etc.) Commercial success attracts those who live for the money, not the music.

Hip Hop has been killed by Hip Hop

You know what's funny?

Eminem = Marshall Mathers...


I am Matthew Marshall

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Originally posted by tribu Terrible comment. These men didn't kill the scene; those who did nothing but copy them did. P. Diddy, not as much but Biggie and Tupac took rap music to places it had never been. Everyone else saw it was commercially successful and jumped on board. This killed the momentum rap had. Sadly, the same can be said for trance, progressive, and most other genres of music (pop, American country, etc.) Commercial success attracts those who live for the money, not the music.

Wrong. GANGSTA RAP killed hip-hop. Black music was always a celebration of africanism not talking about thugs and violence. Da La Soul in the 80's were the living proof of this as well as Run-DMC who didn't shy away from the "white" culture's metal but embraced it as an art form in their samples and beats. Talib Kweli along with infamous Mos Def and DJ HiTek took this even further but nope sorry being "Gantsa" and "thug life" is so much more clever and original than what they or, common for example, sang about.

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Originally posted by Lepanto Wrong. GANGSTA RAP killed hip-hop. Black music was always a celebration of africanism not talking about thugs and violence. Da La Soul in the 80's were the living proof of this as well as Run-DMC who didn't shy away from the "white" culture's metal but embraced it as an art form in their samples and beats. Talib Kweli along with infamous Mos Def and DJ HiTek took this even further but nope sorry being "Gantsa" and "thug life" is so much more clever and original than what they or, common for example, sang about.

I respectfully disagree.

Black people have developed well beyond their african roots and their continental cultural heritage. These are, of course, wonderful things to celebrate and be educated on. However, many people do not have this oppurtunity. They grow up in poor neighborhoods where violence and street smarts are far more rewarding than any of the cultural norms which we tend to celebrate in America. To ignore these poorer people, their emotions, atmospheres, and lifestyles is to ignore (in a capitalistic society) more than a population, but an entire market.

Whether people care to admit it or not, brute force, unchecked sexuality, and lavish displays of wealth are no stranger to American (or any other powerful) culture. Some people are much more willing to embrace it than others, including, I would submit, Tu-Pac and Notorious B.I.G. Their music displayed this and for me this is fine. However, as I argued before, their success (money, fame, women) attracted every person who was interested in similar ends to the same scene and imitators came (and are still coming) at a mile a second. Record companies found a lucrative successful formula and continue to cash in on it. But does this mean Hip hop is dead? No, it just means that commercial hip-hop is based more on money than on quality. You could likely argue the same for Tupac and BIG, but most people didnt bother listening to their full albums, opting only for the radio-"friendly" songs that were released instead and forming opinions based on these topically and musically limited montages.

There's lots of hip-hop out there, just as there are lots of kinds of EDM. Some of it is "gangsta" in nature, some of it is more pensive, and some is incredibly artistic. Extremely rare is a comibnation of these and other successful factors and I feel B.I.G. and Tupac had these cominations; to write them off because they spawned a generation of carbon copies, because you cant see through their topical material to appreciate their genius, or because of nostalgic longing for the past is a diservice to music critique.

Gangsta rap may have killed hip-hop (which I don't really think is dead. People are still making it, aren't they?), but dont blame Tupac and B.I.G. who were merely doing their thing (and quite well). Blame the legions of unoriginal copycats, the money hungry record labels, and the innane fans who bought the crap albums.

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