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Toronto Islamic Imam Warns Politicians To Back off Muslims
What the hell is that!?!? veiled threats to Canadians?? leave us alone (plotting) or we'll cause trouble... unacceptable. 
I think this imam should be expulsed for encouraging violent acts... what do you guys think?
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Toronto Islamic Imam Warns Politicians To Back off Muslims
July 25, 2005 12:28 p.m. EST
Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter
Toronto, Ontario (AHN) - The Toronto Globe and Mail reports a local Islamic leader is issuing a stern warning during meetings with Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan to "stop terrorizing Canadian Muslims."
Aly Hindy, the head of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre says, "If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control."
Hindy has been vocal about his believing the Canadian Security Intelligence Service has been spying on him and targeting muslims under interrogation for no reason.
Hindy says, "A young Muslim woman complained to me she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because our women are the most valuable thing to us and for a Muslim, honor is more important than his life."
The Canadian government questioned Hindy on his remarks and in what context he meant when saying "reprisals" could happen.
He adds, "The police came to me and said, 'This is a kind of threat,' and I said yes, but it's for the good of this country. And they said, 'Do you know some of the names of those people you expect to cause some problems?' And I said, 'You just open the telephone directory.'"
Hindy continues, "We believe CSIS should stop terrorizing us, CSIS is powerless. CSIS has no authority over you. If CSIS agents come to your door, do not open it for them."
deport that cigan to where he came from.
eod.
This guy KNOWS something.... & he just put himself high up on the terrorist watch list by his dumb comments.
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| Originally posted by malek Hindy says, "A young Muslim woman complained to me she was roughed up by Canadian spies while her husband was away at prayers. This allegation could spur reprisals because our women are the most valuable thing to us and for a Muslim, honor is more important than his life." |
wow
the stupidity
Imam ??? WTF is he thinking ... he's no water, he's GAS on this ongoing fire
over here, on the radio today, people were calling furious about this story and everything else happening around the world with muslims and terrorism.
But look how the Toronto Star 'sugar coats' his message in their article.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...d=1121982614073
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| Originally posted by malek over here, on the radio today, people were calling furious about this story and everything else happening around the world with muslims and terrorism. |
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| Originally posted by tatgirl But look how the Toronto Star 'sugar coats' his message in their article. http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...d=1121982614073 |
I can understand they may feel that they are being singled out due to recent activities in the UK. I don't think that that gives this person any solid foundation to be threatening Canadian Security forces however. Not to mention, him saying something like that only further implicates the stereotype of them being a threat to society. It's been said above already, but statements like these will only further provoke this ongoing conflict. 
article from the Star
Canadian imams denounce terror
Leaders' statement a clear rejection
Rooting out radicals will be harder to do
SIKANDER Z. HASHMI AND MICHELLE SHEPHARD
STAFF REPORTER
For the first time, imams from across Canada joined together yesterday to issue a statement denouncing terrorism and calling upon Canadian Muslims to confront extremism.
But what role imams can play in rooting out radical elements within their mosques remains a complicated question.
Imam Ahmad Kutty read a prepared statement on behalf of 122 imams from across Canada, in which he said they "categorically and unequivocally reject" acts of terrorism.
"We will confront and challenge the extremist mindset that produces perversion of our faith," he said. "We have opposed, and will continue to oppose, all extremism, hate, and terrorism."
But Muslim Canadian Congress founder Tarek Fatah argues that the message sent yesterday was largely a public relations manoeuvre to reassure Canada's non-Muslim population that there was unequivocal condemnation of the London bombings.
However, it won't help detect or dissuade radical ideology within Canada's mosques, he says. That could better be done by creating an open debate at the mosque to freely discuss all issues facing Muslims, including the roots of terrorism and the policies of governments worldwide.
"To indulge in meaningful dialogue you don't need a press conference," Fatah said. "You need to open your mosque to say let's talk about it. In the democratic freedoms that we have in Canada, what do you think should be done about Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq? How many of you think it's okay for the Iranian leadership to say they're divinely ordained to run a country of 70 million people?"
Imam Aly Hindy of Scarborough's Salaheddin Islamic Centre, who did not sign yesterday's declaration, said in an earlier interview that much of the leadership is out of touch with young, angry Muslims who harbour "strange ideas." Thus, those who most need to be influenced are left unmoved by community leaders' declarations.
"The problem is all the leaders just say one thing � `Don't do this, this is wrong' � and they never say anything about what's happening from the other side," said Hindy, who rarely fails to mention the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestinian areas after condemning events such as the London attacks.
Hindy says what he sees as his balanced view maintains people's trust.
If there's one thing Fatah and Hindy agree on, it's the need for dialogue.
"Allow people to have dialogue ... to understand their concerns and point of view," Hindy said. "You have to allow people to speak. That's why people trust me."
In the news conference that followed their declaration yesterday, the imams said they will begin to challenge extremism in the community.
Imam Mahmoud Haddara of St. John's said Muslims must work strongly against the terrorist ideology.
Muslims should also co-operate with intelligence and law enforcement agencies, the imams said. "One of the main issues that we have been discussing is ... to nurture a positive partnership with security agencies in Canada," Haddara said. "We have no problem talking to people from CSIS or the RCMP."
Riad Saloojee, the executive director of the group that brought the imams together, the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN), recognized that a simple sermon or education is not going to change the views of those who are "radical or extremist in their outlook."
"Imams don't have magic wands," Saloojee said. "They can't do everything, so they've recognized that they've got to take ownership in confronting and challenging this mindset of extremism in the ways they are able to ... through education, through exhortation from standing on the pulpit, and from demanding that Canadian Muslims also take on this challenge as well."
Muslims pass on the message, and eventually, radicalized youth can be reached through their friends and family, he said.
Last month, the same group that organized yesterday's press conference presented the results of a questionnaire of close to 500 Muslim Canadians that accused Canada's security establishment of using repressive methods, including harassing people in their workplace and asking irrelevant questions on personal and religious grounds.
"The problem, of course, is that if CSIS is going to do its job effectively, as similarly with the RCMP, they need to be able to have trust and confidence within the Muslim community," Saloojee said.
"There need to be bridges of dialogue, communication, networks established so that they can do effective detective work. The community needs to understand that we do need to have productive partnerships with our security agencies in ensuring that Canada is safe and secure."
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| Originally posted by Special K deport that cigan to where he came from. eod. |
over here, there's a ratio of about 7-8 "spies" for each mosque, checking and mingling with people.
these muslims are annoyed and bitching at them, its funny, when they do 10 times worse in their countries on other (christian)minorities...
hypocrits.
Ugh Nat this article angers me SOOOO MUCH!...So many things said in that article are so wrong it's just appaling...
First of all why do muslims need to get together on their own to talk about issues? Why do they need to seclude themselves?!
Second of all why the only issues they should be discussing are wars...are there no muslims living in other places? Are there no other muslim issues in the world?
Ugh...very frustrating...it seems that all these "leaders" are so highly narrow minded...it seems to me that they are fixed on the idea that this is a crusade of Christians vs Muslims and all that they know is that there's an attack on their religion...
COME ON PEOPLE...
Re: Toronto Islamic Imam Warns Politicians To Back off Muslims
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| Originally posted by malek our women are the most valuable thing to us |
honestly this upsets me ppl like these are disgracing a religion by making it seem its full of terrorist and extremist this is why many ppl have a misconseption about islam. ISLAM DOES NOT PROMOTES THE KILLING OF THE INNOCENT, just b/c there are a group of ppl who decide to use it as an excuse to cause terror and havoc on the western world does not represent the religion. remeber timothy mcvey there are crazies in all religions. I hope that ppl relize that and not mistaken the actions of individuals to represent all whole. or well be hating all american lol.
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| Originally posted by feems I hope that ppl relize that and not mistaken the actions of individuals to represent all whole. or well be hating all american lol. |
hmm reprisals eh.... *puts away his baseball bat and anti-muslim propaganda*
It sounds more like an honest statement than a veiled threat.
We can't expect the Imams to have the ability to control their whole 'flock' no more than we can expect to have the Catholic Church control some of their own preists.
"Man is a being with free will; therefore, each man is potentially good or evil, and it's up to him and only him (through his reasoning mind) to decide which he wants to be." -Ayn Rand
Given that, I would note Aly Hindy's advice not as warning, but acknowledgement.
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| Originally posted by jon jon great analogy the ironic thing is that I do fucking hate American Ddol, and I would blame the American's for American Idol, rather than say the French. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ] "Man is a being with free will; therefore, each man is potentially good or evil, and it's up to him and only him (through his reasoning mind) to decide which he wants to be." -Ayn Rand Given that, I would note Aly Hindy's advice not as warning, but acknowledgement. |
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| Originally posted by malek Scarborough's |
i think he should be deported back to his sand dune
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| Originally posted by feems yeah however my understanding fromt that quote was that he's basically saying that everyone has free will and has the choice to do right or wrong but its an individual choice. thats the beauty of free will . |
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