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Out Of The Past - Mystery, Fred Baker ruins a classic?

im not so sure

Mystery Sample here
Two Full Moons And A Trout Sample here

Ive seen all the cries and moans of "Fred ruined a classic omfg!" etc, and ive never heard the original Union Jack - Two Full Moons and a Trout on Platipus records, so i bought the CDR from Platipus out of curiousity.

What a dissapointment . Of 4 mixes on the CDR, Original/Caspar/Fif/Union Jack, theirs a severe lacking to all of them. They just all seem to 'light' to me, nothing chunky in them, and with no complexity. Some of the original synths/strings used back in the day sound like something i'd hear in a Psy-trance production. The amazing vocal in the original is probably what all the fuss is about. Its just simply not used to any effect in the original 4 mixes.

This is where Fred takes over i think. The breakdown (that all-important stereotypical ingredient in a modern trance production) in 'Mystery' is so emotional and haunting, Fred has used it to devastating effect, flicking back to the Original mixes, the vocal is simply wasted...

Dont get me wrong, Freds own recreation has its fault. The buildup is simple at best, with that overused techy/tribal sound (yes i know its a buzz-word ) similar to something SvD would produce, but man oh man, my arms would lose all feeling with the breakdown.

(all my opinion of course )

you are wrong. Freds mix is getting ravaged by Caspar Pounds remix. Especially the end part of the 12 min ride when the beautiful melody kicks in.

I'm not going to argue why the original mixes are miles better than this remake, as that will be a total waste of time. I will however give this remake the slaughtering it deserves.

This remake has the standard shite Speedy J-snare Fred Baker has been beating to death as well as pathetic, massively OTT and downright tacky synths that have 0 regard for the original's subtleties, as well as two stupidly placed breakdowns with an equally stupid and overblown use of the vocals, which take away all the tension and clash completely with the initial mood. The result is appauling, overblown and utterly obvious and thus fits right into the pointless and shit remake-category.

Fred ruined a classic IMHO. I first heard "Two Full Moons and a Trout" back in 1994, when the remixes where released on Rising High. I instantly took a liking on the Caspar Pound Remix, it was simply the most beautifull track I had ever heard. It made such a huge impact on me that still to this day I get shivers down my spine when I listen to it.
Baker's version doesn't do that for me. In fact, Baker's version doesn't do squat for me. It's just total crap, especially when compared to Caspar Pound's remix.

Maybee it's a "you had to be there" thing? idk.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper This remake has the standard shite Speedy J-snare Fred Baker has been beating to death as well as pathetic, massively OTT and downright tacky synths that have 0 regard for the original's subtleties, as well as two stupidly placed breakdowns with an equally stupid and overblown use of the vocals, which take away all the tension and clash completely with the initial mood. The result is appauling, overblown and utterly obvious and thus fits right into the pointless and shit remake-category.

I state how much I agree with this!!!

the almighty Caspar Pound remix

Fred Baker raped the track. The original is dark, evil, hypnotic with a slight hint of "happiness" with those vocals. This remix turns it into a mediocre in-your-face wannabe hard track, with an endless breakdown with annoying and pointless looooooooong strings. I take the original over the remix anyday, hypnotic subtle tracks > epic over-blown anthems.

I'm not a fan of the Caspar Pound remix neither though. And you took the best part of the original mix out of your sample there.

Actually, your sample of the original track is a slightly different version of what I have.. it's longer, doesn't end so suddenly, there isn't that "gating" effect on the vocals and it has everywhere a bit more "punch" - maybe that's just a ripping issue.

I had not heard any of them before reading this thread, and judging from the samples, the original mix is the best by far. Nice and hypnotic, great acid bassline.
And I can't express how much i hate that snare in the Fred Baker version! Can people stop using it already? It's that damn "tiesto-techno" thing where everybody uses big screaming synths and that huge snare and call it techno

Fred Baker's remix is a travesty.

The fact that this is getting released on the A State Of Trance label is even more deplorable.

What a fucking joke.

Hasn't it virtually always been the custom of contemporary remakes to be utter shite? It's usually expected, so I don't even bother giving them a listen.

lol i gather Freds remake doesnt go down to well then . It'd be interesting so see what other mix is on the vinyl being released on Armada soon

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper This remake has the standard shite snare <> has been beating to death as well as pathetic, massively OTT and downright tacky synths that have 0 regard for the original's subtleties, as well as two stupidly placed breakdowns with an equally stupid and overblown use of the vocals, which take away all the tension and clash completely with the initial mood. The result is appauling, overblown and utterly obvious and thus fits right into the pointless and shit remake-category.

With that simple modification, this paragraph describes 99% of all remakes

I thought it was cool remix, But why the hell call it Out Of The Past - Mystery when it's blatenly obvious that it's a remix of Union Jack - Two Full Moons And A Trout, Why they call it that, Is beyond me, Heh.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw I thought it was cool remix, But why the hell call it Out Of The Past - Mystery when it's blatenly obvious that it's a remix of Union Jack - Two Full Moons And A Trout, Why they call it that, Is beyond me, Heh.

cause he obviously bought the rights to it

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Originally posted by Haak And I can't express how much i hate that snare in the Fred Baker version! Can people stop using it already? It's that damn "tiesto-techno" thing where everybody uses big screaming synths and that huge snare and call it techno

hehe, you're right.. i even heard that snare once in a prog record


that said, i quite like Fred's production. it's not groundbreaking at all, but there's plenty of energy and the vocals work quite well in the breakdown.. i've never heard it on a big system, but i'm pretty sure i'd throw my hands in the air.

it's just a matter of taste again really.. i like both versions, but it's really hard to compare them. they create different moods..

it doesn't even qualify as a remake IMO.. the vocal probably comes from some random sample cd.

average at best

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Originally posted by TigerClaw I thought it was cool remix, But why the hell call it Out Of The Past - Mystery when it's blatenly obvious that it's a remix of Union Jack - Two Full Moons And A Trout, Why they call it that, Is beyond me, Heh.

cos armada have pulled a "scooter" and changed just enough to not pay for it, but know that there's people who will buy it regardless of how bad it is, while us older trance fans just get our walking sticks out in preparation for the beating we'll give to anyone who plays/buys it & if we see Armin

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Originally posted by TOR it doesn't even qualify as a remake IMO.. the vocal probably comes from some random sample cd.

yeah i thought so too. there's nothing similar except for the vocals. and they could be off any sample cd, just like the vocal sample in for instance prodigy - smack my bitch up can be found in a few other tunes aswell.

The only way this would qualify as a remake or remix of sort, If they were to also use the piano melody that was in the original track, But they just used the vocal samples, Your right, It's not a remake at all, But something completely new, Take Obital - Halcyon +On+On, It uses vocal samples from Opus III - A Fine Day, And it was completely original.

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Originally posted by TigerClaw The only way this would qualify as a remake or remix of sort, If they were to also use the piano melody that was in the original track, But they just used the vocal samples, Your right, It's not a remake at all, But something completely new, Take Obital - Halcyon +On+On, It uses vocal samples from Opus III - A Fine Day, And it was completely original.

yeah but Halcyon is actually good

When does this come out?

i'll start by saying i dislike armin, dislike 90% of fred baker productions over the past 2 years and liked the original 2 full moons

before this became 'mystery' (the final version has an extended drawn out break with more chord changes.. doesn't work as well imo), i thought it was a fucking good track. all it does is sample the vocals from 2 full moons so you'd be hard pushed to call it a remix in the first place; yet as soon it started getting labelled as 'two full moons and a trout (fred baker remix)' everyone starts comparing it with the original and slating it purely because they like the original. why? it's a completely different fucking track surely? totally different mood & overall feel to any of the original mixes, just uses the same vocal sample

don't get me wrong i don't expect everyone to like it.. but atleast judge it by its own merit and not just because it 'ruins a classic' (which is frankly bullshit, not one classic remake has *ruined* its respective original). not that everyone in this thread hasn't... and i agree it could be considered generic... but still

and i'll clarify.. it's the original bootleg i'm on about, that tiesto played. not the new version armin is playing, which is getting released... i don't like that version


(apologies for the poorly written post, i'm tired)

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Originally posted by isoterra and i'll clarify.. it's the original bootleg i'm on about, that tiesto played. not the new version armin is playing, which is getting released... i don't like that version

Is this the one tiesto played in the dance music awards set? I liked that one. How deos the ASOT release differ? (I can't Dl the sample at work).

I agree, the new version is far less appealing, just as all the "new and improved" versions always turn out to be.

Ex. Motorcycle - Around You

Dave if you're reading please release your version

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Originally posted by isoterra (which is frankly bullshit, not one classic remake has *ruined* its respective original)

Oh c'mon, do you honestly believe this?

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