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Iranian arms intercepted at Iraqi border Britain warns Tehran about weapons smuggling Ewen MacAskill, diplomatic editor Thursday August 11, 2005 The Guardian Britain yesterday described as "unacceptable" the smuggling of weapons from Iran into Iraq after revealing that a consignment was intercepted at the border between the two countries. While complaints have been made in the past, it is relatively rare to have concrete evidence of such smuggling. The British embassy in Tehran raised the issue at a meeting with the Iranian foreign ministry. Officials relayed the government's concern and pressed Iran to acknowledge that there was a problem that should be dealt with. Donald Rumsfeld, the US secretary of defence, warned Iran this week about the extent of smuggling. The US has been protesting for the past two years over alleged Iranian meddling in Iraq. Mr Rumsfeld told a Pentagon briefing that the smuggling was "a problem" for the Iraqi government. "It's a problem for the coalition forces. It's a problem for the international community, and ultimately, it's a problem for Iran," he said. Disclosure of the smuggling came hours after four American soldiers were killed and six were wounded as a patrol was attacked near Baiji, 112 miles north of Baghdad, late on Tuesday. A bomb wrecked two Humvees and a bigger armoured vehicle. Iran has repeatedly denied any involvement in the insurgency or party politics in Iraq. A senior British official disclosed yesterday details of the incident two weeks ago when a group crossing from Iran was intercepted near Maysan, which is in the British controlled sector of Iraq. Iraqi security forces opened fire and the smugglers fled back to Iran leaving their cache of timers, detonators and other bomb-making equipment. The British official said he did not know the identity of the group or those behind it but said it had the "fingerprints" of either Iran's Revolutionary Guard, controlled by the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, or the Lebanese based Hizbullah which Tehran backs. The incident came against a backdrop of tension between Iran and the west over allegations that Tehran is intent on securing a nuclear-weapons capability. The US has had no diplomatic relationship with Iran since 1980 and has branded it part of the "axis of evil". But Britain usually opts for a less confrontational approach than the US. The British official said he thought such smuggling from Iran was infrequent and trivial compared with the weapons going into Iraq from Syria. Bayan Jabr, Iraq's interior minister, also played down the incident, saying it "was very much exaggerated". Ibrahim al-Jaafari, Iraq's prime minister who spent years in exile in Iran, dodged questions yesterday about the alleged use of Iranian weapons by insurgents. Iran has a vested interest in maintaining a degree of instability in Iraq to ensure the US and Britain leave but it does not want anarchy threatening its own security. Events in Iraq are going in the direction Tehran would have wished with its Shia co-religionists dominant and an increased Islamisation in the British sector. Iran can exert influence through the many prominent Iraqis who were exiled in Tehran and via the Badr brigades, the Iraqi Shia militia that was based in Iran. The British claim the Badr brigades have been disbanded but although they have swapped their uniforms for Iraqi police or army gear many of the men retain their original allegiances. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...1546837,00.html

they probably are smuggling in weapons but the Bush administration is probably once again blowing things out of proportion to fit an agenda especially since Britian doesn't seem to be too concerned

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Originally posted by josh4 they probably are smuggling in weapons but the Bush administration is probably once again blowing things out of proportion to fit an agenda especially since Britian doesn't seem to be too concerned

knowing the nature of stupid americans, they would probably beleive anything the administration says even after tehyve blatently lied about WMD's in iraq.

Next thing you'll know, Bush will declare war on Iran too!

As much as it would be a ... and I hope it wouldn't happen,

it wouldn't surprise me if those in power tried to justify this.

oh great what a great excuse to invade another country.

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Originally posted by josh4 they probably are smuggling in weapons but the Bush administration is probably once again blowing things out of proportion to fit an agenda especially since Britian doesn't seem to be too concerned

it's obvious whats going on there. i don't understand why you can't see it. this will help.

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“It’s quite conceivable that what one is seeing is different parts [of the Iranian] government pursuing their own strategies with regard to Iraq. But it would seem quite credible that there is both a desire to prevent direct conflict with the United States over Iraq but to ensure that the government that does eventually emerge in Iraq is one that is pro-Iranian. Or if not pro-Iranian, at least resolves Iran’s continual security problems with Iraq,”

i don't know why you have to throw around the "Bush agenda" scare tactic either when all the facts are right in front of you. if anyone's agenda is blowing things out of proportion it's the Guardian's.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's obvious whats going on there. i don't understand why you can't see it. this will help. i don't know why you have to throw around the "Bush agenda" scare tactic either when all the facts are right in front of you. if anyone's agenda is blowing things out of proportion it's the Guardian's.

Remember before the iraq war? Yeah thats right, you had proof then too!

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's obvious whats going on there. i don't understand why you can't see it. this will help. i don't know why you have to throw around the "Bush agenda" scare tactic either when all the facts are right in front of you. if anyone's agenda is blowing things out of proportion it's the Guardian's.

Here's the thing that's a bit confusing with the whole matter, and yes it seems somewhat like there's a tiny bit of skewing the intelligence to fit the agenda (which I know is SOOO foreign of you to think of this Administration doing that, but hang on for a tick).

I do agree that it's certainly conceivable of these events occurring. But what is implied or even directly stated with the matter is the whole Iranian government being behind the arms being smuggled. Is there direct evidence of such an occurrence? Because if we are to go with such a premise that the Iranian gov't is behind this, how then would a Shiite Iranian gov't want to DELIBERATELY kill it's own Shiite neighbors in a neighboring country by handing over arms to the insurgents which are causing great havoc on the pro-Shiite gov't attempting to form in Iraq? If we assume the Iranian gov't is behind this, that would create a strange and contradictory desired outcome for the Iranian gov't itself. So I have sincere doubts of the Iran gov't being directly or even indirectly involved.

That's not to say that others in Iran have other interests in the matter, however, so I won't exclude this possibility completely.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King knowing the nature of stupid americans, they would probably beleive anything the administration says even after tehyve blatently lied about WMD's in iraq.

Well knowing the nature of stupid Cyrus King, he would believe anything some dirt dobber in Palistine would tell him.


ignorant dumpster slut...

ofcourse (off course?) weapons are being smuggled (up-n-forth, mind u all!!) these borders, as well as drugs and people etc... but this has little to do with their respective governements..., they should only control it.... (since it is illegal)
I think the US could only politely ask Iran to control it. (the brittish approach) this thing has been blown way out of proportion. Not only by the Bush admin. but (worse!!) by the media in general... creating misconception.

leave the entire region be!! if people have to die, be murdered etc..., they've been pretty capable of that themselves for centuries!!!
who are we to interfere...??

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Originally posted by ZZandirt leave the entire region be!! if people have to die, be murdered etc..., they've been pretty capable of that themselves for centuries!!! who are we to interfere...??

fuckin right man.


But nooooo those people there are on their knees asking American to come for the rescue and to give them democracy. .

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Remember before the iraq war? Yeah thats right, you had proof then too!

you're frikken brilliant

let the brave figure this out. you're doing fine right where you are. enjoy

Fool me once shame on you, fool my twice shame on me:

0 Weapons of Mass Destruction
Official: U.S. calls off search for Iraqi WMDs(Jan 2005)
CIA's final report: No WMD found in Iraq(Apr 2005)
Iraq WMD Hunt 'Has Been Exhausted'(Apr 2005)
U.S. study: Iraq likely didn't ship WMD to Syria(Apr 2005)
US closes book on Iraq WMD hunt(Apr 2005)

All warfare is based on deception
Sun Tzu

The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know
Sun Tzu

Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave
Frederick Douglass

All the worlds a stage.
Shakespeare

Believe that's how insurgents started getting their hands on shaped charges for IEDs. Seems insurgents are getting help from everywhere as well, including a backlog of fanatics ready to martyr themselves with suicide bombs. Until forces gain control of the borders, the situation won't improve.


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Originally posted by smokeape Believe that's how insurgents started getting their hands on shaped charges for IEDs. Seems insurgents are getting help from everywhere as well, including a backlog of fanatics ready to martyr themselves with suicide bombs. Until forces gain control of the borders, the situation won't improve.

oh the situation well get alot better once those American troops get the hell out.The Iraqis can finally live in peace.

The U.S. Governments rhetoric about a free democracy loving iraq is useless and they know it. Its pretty clear that the once the united states pulls out of iraq the most likely outcome is an islamic coup detat sooner rather than later (kinda like the fall of saigon). The iraq insurgency is a militarily unbeatable fenomenon waging a war of attrition against an enemy that cant see them.
The main purpose of the US putting heat on Iran for any reason is the latters possible alliance with China and its ever advancing nuclear program. A nuclear armed Iran allied with the US s biggest competitor can only mean trouble for US interests in that region (getting all that caspian sea and persian gulf oil safely into the hands of westerners, not to mention radioactive materials) same interests which have propelled the invasion of iraq.

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Originally posted by LazFX Well knowing the nature of stupid Cyrus King, he would believe anything some dirt dobber in Palistine would tell him. ignorant dumpster slut...

uh oh, you made fun of cyrus king. Hey Cyrus, give this newbie a fucking bitch slapping.

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Originally posted by TheDemon uh oh, you made fun of cyrus king. Hey Cyrus, give this newbie a fucking bitch slapping.

i have no time for insects that steal like him and those zionists. Let those piece of shit settlers cry.

It was so nice seeing this though



Palestinians wave a national flag during early celebrations for Israel's imminent pullout from Gaza, in front of the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, southern Gaza Strip August 13, 2005.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Palestinians wave a national flag during early celebrations for Israel's imminent pullout from Gaza, in front of the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, southern Gaza Strip August 13, 2005.

yeah we'll see how long the celebrations last

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Hamas Leaders Vow to Fight After Pullout In a direct challenge to the Palestinian Authority, the militant leaders rejected the idea of a sole decision-making body for the area and claimed the group's right to possess its own weapons. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...palestinians_15

a dialogue between bush sr and bush jr.

sr: hey, look at those persians, they are cooking up something. go invade them. make chaos and give the family a bad name.

jr: yeah, i realise it georgie, how shall i do it?

sr: minimize casualities, we got the technology, we dont want omaha or vietnam again. hmmmm. iraq seems to be like omaha now.

jr: well i reckon we can establish peace among the iraqis. we will drive out the insurgents out.

sr: george, you are my number one. ( dialogue between joker and his henchmen)

jr: ok, ok georgie, lit the fires, we are going to bring liberation to the IRAN, "TEXAS CRAWFORD STYLE".


lol

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Germany attacks US on Iran threat "Let's take the military option off the table. We have seen it doesn't work" Gerhard Schroeder http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/...ast/4149090.stm

lol i laughed at that

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i have no time for insects that steal like him and those zionists. Let those piece of shit settlers cry. [/i]

Awe Cyrus you make feel important, cause I would be a living insect over a piece of dog crap like you. I was walking from a show the other night and detoured through a front yard and stepped on a piece of your kind Cyrus, had to throw the shoes away, you know, once your kind and smell gets around, it never wants to leave.


oh yeah,, FOAD

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Originally posted by josh4 lol i laughed at that

ha ha ha

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Originally posted by LazFX Awe Cyrus you make feel important, cause I would be a living insect over a piece of dog crap like you. I was walking from a show the other night and detoured through a front yard and stepped on a piece of your kind Cyrus, had to throw the shoes away, you know, once your kind and smell gets around, it never wants to leave. oh yeah,, FOAD

aww... did i anger the little zionist thief ahahhahah

go wail at the that wall in isreal

What seems to have been missed here is that Maysan, the place where the weapons were intercepted, is in the south of Iraq, the Shiite third of the country:



http://www.answers.com/topic/maysan

The Shiite communities in Iraq have always had close ties with the Shiite theocracy in Iran, so I wouldn't be suprised if Iranians - either officially (that is, by the order of the government) or unofficially (that is, through Iranian groups unassociated with the Iranian government) - were trying to smuggle weapons to their bretheren in that part of Iraq. The notion that the Iranians would be giving weaponary to the Sunni-based insurgency, however, is pretty ridiculous. Firstly, why would they give weapons to Sunni militants, most of whom supported the suppression of the Shiites last decade? Secondly, why would the Iranians be supporting an insurgency that undermines the likelihood of the Shiite majority in Iraq gaining power in the new Iraqi government?

If anyone tries to insinuate that the Iranians have had anything to do with the insurgency over the past two years based on this event, then they need to check their history of the region and then check their heads shortly after.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you're frikken brilliant

First time I've ever been quoted in a sig. Awesome.

Hey this is good I plan to join the Marines in a couple of years and if it just keeps appearing that the next country to get invaded will be Iran. Looks like I just might be going to Iran.

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