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Posted by djmt on Aug-12-2005 14:00:

BBC review about Armin's Shivers

i am so surprised about this review on BBC radio1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/dance/re...s.shtml#comment

I didn't listen to Shivers yet , it isn't on stores here. When i do i'll comment about Shivers
see ya
DJMT

Posted by Ian on Aug-12-2005 14:02:

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Shivers is Armin Van Buuren's first artist album (we'll discount 2003's 76 as that would be like saying Sasha's first full-length album was The QAT Collection), yet despite the wait, and a plethora of guest vocalists and producers as a support cast, there's nothing remotely groundbreaking, and very little original, to speak of.

Opening with "Wall Of Sound", featuring Justine Suissa and the aptly named "Empty State" sporting Mic Burns' deeper tones, the dreamy and ethereal approach to their delivery can do little to shore up the fact that they're drab and predictable songs. There's even former Genesis vocalist Ray Wilson popping up on the breakbeat-ish "Gypsy" - need I say more?

Surprisingly this album was two years in the making; recorded in Amsterdam, San Francisco (with Gabriel & Dresden), Miami (with Markus Schulz) and New York (with Nadia Ali of Iio who features on "Who Is Watching"). Armin's pairing with G&D on the rousing "Zocalo" is actually one of the album's few highs; the other in collaboration with fellow Dutchmen Remy and Roland Klinkenberg on the proggy "Bounce Back".

Armin is quick to declare that Shivers is a major step for him into full songwriting, having co-written most of the lyrics. A brave move that whilst perhaps satisfying his own craving, fails to offer anything new to the creative process.

As a DJ the sellout tours and worldwide bookings speak for themselves, however making the transition to the recording studio is not always as smooth. People may pay top dollar to hear a DJ spin, yet not nearly as many will pay a similar price for a DJs CD. Stick to what you do best mate, play other people's music

brilliant

Posted by djmt on Aug-12-2005 14:04:

can't wait to listen to Shivers.... i do really like Armin

Posted by fastmp3 on Aug-12-2005 14:38:

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Stick to what you do best mate, play other people's music

even though he sucks at that too

Posted by Protege on Aug-12-2005 14:52:

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Originally posted by fastmp3
even though he sucks at that too

Agreed

Posted by ctprincess on Aug-12-2005 15:07:

wow - at least someone at bbc had the balls to write the truth about this cd

the review (IMO) is right on point

armin should just stick to dj'ing

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-12-2005 15:13:

thank you bbc...i hope armin gets the message...

Posted by jonze on Aug-12-2005 15:16:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller
thank you bbc...i hope armin gets the message...

maybe we should forward it to him just to make sure

Posted by Joost on Aug-12-2005 15:21:

Most of the TA's are so predictable, somebody writes that the album sucks and they think the review is brilliant

I bet some of you haven't listened to it entirely.

Posted by scAza on Aug-12-2005 15:22:

The reviewer obviously hasn't done his homework. AVB produced some mind-blowing stuff in the past when he was younger, his own stuff AND remix work. The sentiments about this particular album may be true (I haven't heard it so I don't know), but to say "stick to what you do best" is BS. And its not a "Transition into the studio" becaue he's been producing since he was about 14, correct me if I'm wrong?

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-12-2005 15:25:

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Originally posted by Joost
Most of the TA's are so predictable, somebody writes that the album sucks and they think the review is brilliant

I bet some of you haven't listened to it entirely.

Most of the Armin fans on TA are so predictable, somebody gives their opinion on their fav dj and they think the criticism isn't justified...

Posted by Acton on Aug-12-2005 15:25:

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Originally posted by Ian^
brilliant

agreed Ian, that review sums up exactly wot i think of armins album. although it is ok to listen to, there isnt exactly and groundbreaking stuff on there. just how i expected it to be honest

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-12-2005 15:27:

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Originally posted by scAza
The reviewer obviously hasn't done his homework. AVB produced some mind-blowing stuff in the past when he was younger, his own stuff AND remix work. The sentiments about this particular album may be true (I haven't heard it so I don't know), but to say "stick to what you do best" is BS. And its not a "Transition into the studio" becaue he's been producing since he was about 14, correct me if I'm wrong?

i don't think many can argue that armin doesn't have the potential to be a great producer, but what he's been producing the last 2-3 years is just crap. and what's worse is that he actually thinks he's improving or obtaining some great level of artistic expression...

Posted by scAza on Aug-12-2005 15:35:

I agree I don't like much of what he's done lately (except for "shivers", and the KvA mix of some vocal track last year (forgot the name ), and "slipstream" and "another day" and "from the heart"). I just think the total lack of a mention of his production-past, as if this is his first batch of tunes ever, shows that the reviewer really didn't know his stuff...

Posted by UWM on Aug-12-2005 15:37:

Posted by keithos27 on Aug-12-2005 15:38:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller
i don't think many can argue that armin doesn't have the potential to be a great producer, but what he's been producing the last 2-3 years is just crap. and what's worse is that he actually thinks he's improving or obtaining some great level of artistic expression...

lol.. well you don't expect him to say the opposite, do you? "i've been really going downhill as a producer lately... pick up my new cd!"

i liked the remixes armin did 5 years earlier... haven't heard his new cd yet, but as of late he hasn't been my cup of tea. i'm not discounting him as good at what he does though, just not my taste. others will disagree, obviously...

Posted by jules on Aug-12-2005 15:52:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller
Most of the Armin fans on TA are so predictable, somebody gives their opinion on their fav dj and they think the criticism isn't justified...

Hey now!!! dammit jason! your predictable! i knew you would say something about this

anywho... Shivers is an alright album, the best out of this whole cd imo would be ZoCalo! The rest of the this cd is pretty chill cept for control freak and serenity. but its not that bad.

I mean i know Armins production has gone downhill a bit, comparing to communications, blue fear, sound of goodbye etc etc... not including all his great remixes in the past too.. but he's still one of my all time fave djs because of the fact that he's been around for such a long time and still keeps up with his ASOT show even though he didnt have to, and that when you see him live, he's never f*cked up and always smiling! sooo those oare my 2 cents

Posted by Ashley on Aug-12-2005 15:53:

I couldn't agree more with the BBC's review. I first heard Shivers about a month ago, and when I listened to it, I was like "this is Armin?" I've listened to it numerous times, and every time I hear it, I have the same feelings about it. Armin has produced some amazing tracks and done some incredible remixes, as for this album, its just not what I personally like to hear from Armin.

Posted by Floorfiller on Aug-12-2005 16:03:

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Originally posted by =aZnxTraNceR=
Hey now!!! dammit jason! your predictable! i knew you would say something about this

anywho... Shivers is an alright album, the best out of this whole cd imo would be ZoCalo! The rest of the this cd is pretty chill cept for control freak and serenity. but its not that bad.

I mean i know Armins production has gone downhill a bit, comparing to communications, blue fear, sound of goodbye etc etc... not including all his great remixes in the past too.. but he's still one of my all time fave djs because of the fact that he's been around for such a long time and still keeps up with his ASOT show even though he didnt have to, and that when you see him live, he's never f*cked up and always smiling! sooo those oare my 2 cents

if you read the other guys post directed at me, you'd see that i copied his wording...

ps. i think its funny you said that armin has been around a long time hahaha

Posted by jules on Aug-12-2005 16:10:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller
if you read the other guys post directed at me, you'd see that i copied his wording...

ps. i think its funny you said that armin has been around a long time hahaha

he has, granted its not longer than sasha or diggers or even nick warren, but hey!! so ya!!!

ps. jason sucks! whahahaha!

Posted by ctprincess on Aug-12-2005 16:11:

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Originally posted by Floorfiller

ps. i think its funny you said that armin has been around a long time hahaha

exactly - if you want to talk about being in the business a long time think more along the lines of sasha, digweed, nick warren etc. - now those guys have been around the block a few times more than armin

Posted by scAza on Aug-12-2005 16:12:

Armin HAS been involved in the scene a long time, why is anyone even trying to dispute that???

Posted by PlasticSoul on Aug-12-2005 16:19:

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Originally posted by =aZnxTraNceR=
I mean i know Armins production has gone downhill a bit, comparing to communications, blue fear, sound of goodbye etc etc... not including all his great remixes in the past too.. but he's still one of my all time fave djs because of the fact that he's been around for such a long time and still keeps up with his ASOT show even though he didnt have to, and that when you see him live, he's never f*cked up and always smiling! sooo those oare my 2 cents

+1
and I add his remixes of riva - time is the healer and moogwai - viola...
but since `"76" I lost my respect for Armin productions... sorry.

Posted by jules on Aug-12-2005 16:35:

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Originally posted by ctprincess
exactly - if you want to talk about being in the business a long time think more along the lines of sasha, digweed, nick warren etc. - now those guys have been around the block a few times more than armin

lol i just mentioned those guys in my previous post! funny but im not trying to be stubborn or anything, i just think its rare for producers to keep coming up with new things.

Posted by john2 on Aug-12-2005 16:44:

Glad to see that most people think Zocalo as one of the best tracks of the Album as i love it .It has so much feeling and is so mellow,i can't get enough of this.I'm waiting for the album cd just for this.Brilliant,just brilliant

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