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New Denon Cd Deck: S-3500

So Denon are just about to bring out a new CD deck... the S3500

Looks like the general idea is to improve on the S3000 (as the name suggests). In all fairness I didn't know the S3000 that well but the big thing that jumps out at me is that the platter now has 2.5kg/cm of torque... which means it might not feel quite so much like a 10 year old SoundLab belt-drive deck anymore...

Lets hope they do the same with the S5000 eh?

Here's the info: http://www.denondj.com/prodview_item.asp?pid=56&cid=1


Oh and they've also brought out some new rack mount mixers 'n' shit so you might wanna have a look at them while you're there. Full list of new products:

DN-S3500 - New Flagship CD/MP3 player, with Direct Drive inc 2.5 kg/cm of torque DN-X900 - Rackmount Mixer DN-X500 - Rackmount Mixer DN-HP1000 - High Performance Headphones

If its anything like the DN-S5000 id stay away from it.
The turning platter sucks and the pitch slider is just too sloppy.

I must say, that player looks suh-weet.

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Originally posted by webbie If its anything like the DN-S5000 id stay away from it. The turning platter sucks and the pitch slider is just too sloppy.

It's platter is different from the s5000 and s3000, it uses a direct drive motor instead of belt drive like previous models. I wonder if you can now scratch mp3s like the pioneer dmp-555? But it indeed looks sexy. I should really get rid of my axis9 asap.

Sweet, theres also a dry/wet knob for the effects, also the seemless loop to sampler copy looks intresting as well.

There is numerous problems with the platter.
Fastening a real vinyl is to forget if you dont have a perfect vinyl that isnt one mm warped.
Getting a good grip to scratch is a biatch because of the cue point always slipping.
There is a rubberband mod but i havent been able to find any rubberbands that wide and besides,
if i buy a cd for alot of money, should i have to modify it?

If you turn off the platter movement the platter instead gets touch sensitive (which it really isnt when its moving)
so you cant scratch and let the tune go because of the slowdown that comes after you release the platter.

There is so many wrongs with that moving platter. Hope they fixed them all. And the pitch increment. And the sloppy pitch slider.

We'll just have to see how denon does this time around. It seems Numark is the only company that did a good job of mimicing actual vinyl w/ the cdx. Personally this isn't really that exciting for me. Im content w/ my ssl, and 3 1200s.

The s3500 looks good!
I'm the owner of both a s3000 and a s5000, and yeah, the platter ain't that good for scratching cause it's belt-driven. The s3500 with any luck will basically be a Numark CDX with a smaller platter (just with less torque)

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Originally posted by bent The s3500 looks good! I'm the owner of both a s3000 and a s5000, and yeah, the platter ain't that good for scratching cause it's belt-driven. The s3500 with any luck will basically be a Numark CDX with a smaller platter (just with less torque)

so.. just out of curiousity, the s3000, 3500, and 5000 platters all spin? but the pioneer cdj-800's and 1000's don't??

I never really had a problem with the s5000 platter, but I wasnt expecting it to feel like vinyl anyway. Its an interface. Play with it for a bit and you get used to it. Damn fine decks in every other regard.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue so.. just out of curiousity, the s3000, 3500, and 5000 platters all spin? but the pioneer cdj-800's and 1000's don't??

Yes...

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Yes...

so why can't you scratch with a cdj-200 or 100 when the "platter" on an 800/1000 is pretty much a glorified jog wheel? they just didn't implement it or something?

might have to pick one of htese up i hear mostly good things about the denon decks.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue so.. just out of curiousity, the s3000, 3500, and 5000 platters all spin? but the pioneer cdj-800's and 1000's don't??

The pioneers don't have a rotating belt-driven platter, however they do have a platter that moves back and forth, but doesn't spin. Hard to explain ... the pioneers move back and forth enough for you to scratch, it's not the same style platter as the CDJ100/200. Have a look at the videos on the pioneer site if you want a better explanation

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue so why can't you scratch with a cdj-200 or 100 when the "platter" on an 800/1000 is pretty much a glorified jog wheel? they just didn't implement it or something?

Yeah basically on the 100 the jog wheel can just be used to speed up and slow down the track, or search through frame-by-frame when paused.

The 800/1000 can work like that OR can be set to act like a vinyl surface (so that when you touch the top it acts as if you've just touched the surface of a spinning record) and hence can be used to scratch.

The sampling technology to manipulate the sound in real-time to allow scratch emulation is more advanced than just speeding up and slowing down, so (although available at the time the 100 came out) they chose not to include it as it would have increased the price and development time needed for the 100. Also, a touch sensitive platter surface is required to know whether you're touching the 'record' or not which obviously adds even more to the cost and takes more advanced technology.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Yeah basically on the 100 the jog wheel can just be used to speed up and slow down the track, or search through frame-by-frame when paused. The 800/1000 can work like that OR can be set to act like a vinyl surface (so that when you touch the top it acts as if you've just touched the surface of a spinning record) and hence can be used to scratch. The sampling technology to manipulate the sound in real-time to allow scratch emulation is more advanced than just speeding up and slowing down, so (although available at the time the 100 came out) they chose not to include it as it would have increased the price and development time needed for the 100. Also, a touch sensitive platter surface is required to know whether you're touching the 'record' or not which obviously adds even more to the cost and takes more advanced technology.

thanks for clearing that up for me

This looks very smart, my mate got an email about it the other day and showed it too me.

Check out the full specs here http://www.decks.co.uk/products/cdplayers/denon/dns3500 You can zoom right in on the images.

Feel sorry for the people that bought the DNS-5000 because at �699 in the UK this looks like a good cdj to beat the Pioneer imo.

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Originally posted by webbie If its anything like the DN-S5000 id stay away from it. The turning platter sucks and the pitch slider is just too sloppy.

I am soon to purchase one, can you elaborate more on why I shouldn't get it and what you mean by sloppy pitch slider, thanks

Wow, looks pretty hot! Hopefully the performance will be up to par as well...

any idea how much these will cost in the US? the site above says 800 pounds.

So how does the S3500 compare? Did they make vast improvements over the old 'belt drive' versions? Is it worth getting? Nobody has posted a review of what it is like. Better or worse than CDJ 800?

It's not out yet, and me thinks it would cain the CDJ800 by a mile!

At �699 it'll be about $1259 USD. No way it's gonna come out at that price in the States...

Not even sure what it's competing against? CDJ800? CDJ1000? Somewhere in-between? (Prob).

$699 seems affordable and with all the new features @ http://www.djdeals.com/denonDNS3500.htm and with free shipping to US!!
"THIS NEW PRODUCT WILL BE AVAILABLE LATE SEPTEMBER, PRE-ORDER NOW TO RESERVE YOURS"

$700? Not bad at all...

Better start saving up!

Re: New Denon Cd Deck: S-3500

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Originally posted by Stu Cox So Denon are just about to bring out a new CD deck... the S3500 Looks like the general idea is to improve on the S3000 (as the name suggests). In all fairness I didn't know the S3000 that well but the big thing that jumps out at me is that the platter now has 2.5kg/cm of torque... which means it might not feel quite so much like a 10 year old SoundLab belt-drive deck anymore... Lets hope they do the same with the S5000 eh? Here's the info: http://www.denondj.com/prodview_item.asp?pid=56&cid=1 Oh and they've also brought out some new rack mount mixers 'n' shit so you might wanna have a look at them while you're there. Full list of new products: DN-S3500 - New Flagship CD/MP3 player, with Direct Drive inc 2.5 kg/cm of torque DN-X900 - Rackmount Mixer DN-X500 - Rackmount Mixer DN-HP1000 - High Performance Headphones

Looks fun
It probably feels better to spin on it
than the pioneer if the plater is that strong!!
The Pioneer has better sound though
and that is important for clubs

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