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Brazilian murdered on london tube - new evidence

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The family of a man shot dead by police who mistakenly suspected him of being a suicide bomber are calling for a public inquiry into the killing. The dead man's cousin has said those responsible should be jailed for life. It comes after leaked documents contradicted previous accounts of the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell Tube station on 22 July. Investigation papers, leaked to ITV, suggest the Brazilian was restrained before being shot eight times. Mr Menezes' family want the suspension of the "shoot-to-kill" policy and their lawyer has called for Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair to resign. Sir Ian has described the policy on tackling suspected suicide bombers as a "shoot to kill in order to protect policy", insisting that less forceful tactics could still allow a terrorist to detonate their explosives. The IPCC made it clear that we would not speculate or release partial information about the investigation, and that others should not do so IPCC statement Questioning 'shoot-to-kill' Police shooting discrepancies Timeline: Tube shooting The leaked documents, seemingly from the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) investigation into the shooting, contradict eyewitness reports suggesting Mr de Menezes hurdled a barrier at Stockwell tube station and was wearing a padded jacket that could have concealed a bomb. They now suggest the Brazilian had walked into Stockwell Tube station, picked up a free newspaper, walked through ticket barriers, started to run when he saw a train arriving and was sitting down in a train when he was shot. Scotland Yard had said on the day of the shooting - 24 hours after the 21 July failed attacks - that "his clothing and his behaviour at the station added to their suspicions". Despite eyewitness reports that the suspect had worn a large winter-style coat, the version of events in the leaked documents suggested he had in fact worn a denim jacket. A statement from the Menezes family legal team accused the police of breaching their statutory duty by not immediately inviting the IPPC to start its inquiry. 'Crucial' investigation Scotland Yard said Sir Ian Blair had written to the permanent secretary at the Home Office on the morning of Mr Menezes death "to clarify the role of IPCC if, as it then appeared" the shooting was of a suspected terrorist. "This was because it was crucial that the terrorist investigation took precedence over any IPCC investigation at that time. "This letter led to further conversations that day, where it was agreed that the Metropolitan Police would hand over the shooting investigation to the IPCC, with their officers taking over on the following Monday." Mr de Menezes' cousin Allessandro Pereira said: "Jean was an innocent man who was shot in cold blood. We now know that he wasn't wearing a bulky jacket, that he wasn't acting suspiciously or that he was told to stop by the police. The leak suggests the electrician was restrained before shot "He was being restrained when he was shot and killed." He told the London Evening Standard: "The officers who have done this have to be sent to jail for life because it's murder and the people who gave them the order to shoot must be punished." In a statement, the IPCC said it does not know where the documents came from and that its priority was to keep Mr de Menezes family informed. It would not comment on the details of the leak, adding the family "will clearly be distressed that they have received information on television concerning his death". The family's lawyer Harriet Wistrich said they wanted to know why misleading reports had been allowed to circulate. Key questions "Clearly we now know that Jean Charles was doing absolutely nothing to arouse any suspicion, he was just unfortunate to be living in a block of flats that was under surveillance and to look slightly brown skinned." Ms Wistrich said it also suggested the information given to the pathologist who carried out the post-mortem examination on Mr de Menezes was incorrect. The legal team's statement demanded answers to 12 key questions, including how police made themselves known to the victim, and why Mr Menezes family in London were placed in a hotel room without access to telephones. The home secretary must now use his powers to order a full judicial inquiry into the killing Asad Rehman Justice4Jean They also asked why the pathologist at the post mortem on 27 July was told: "[Mr Menezes] was followed into Stockwell Tube Station where he vaulted over the ticket barrier. He ran downstairs and onto a Tube train where it appears that he stumbled. The officers then immobilised him and a number of shots were fired." Asad Rehman, spokesman for the Justice4Jean Family Campaign said: "The overwhelming majority of the people of London join us in believing that there can be no alternative but the immediate suspension of the shoot-to-kill policy before another innocent Londoner becomes its victim. "The home secretary must now use his powers to order a full judicial inquiry into the killing." Meanwhile, speaking to the Evening Standard before the disclosure of the leaked details, Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the Met had operated "highly professionally" when faced with the threat of suicide bombers. Scotland Yard and the Home Office have so far said it would be inappropriate to comment.

They person who shoot him should be done for murder.


What kind of clowns do they have running the police over there? Really is a massive fuck up on their part.

The family of a Brazilian man killed by police who mistook him for a terrorist watched videotapes of the shooting while meeting with independent investigators Thursday and said the tapes prove police lied about what happened.

Undercover police shot and killed electrician Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, aboard a subway train July 22, a day after four failed attempts to bomb the city's transport system. Two weeks earlier, four suspected suicide bombers had killed 52 commuters in similar attacks.

Police shot de Menezes seven times in the head and once in the shoulder after following him onto a train at Stockwell Underground station. Some of the closed-circuit television cameras there were not working, so the entire incident was not recorded.

De Menezes' brother, Giovani, said the tapes supported the family's belief that police lied about the case.

"The film showed that Jean did not have suspicious behavior. For sure they (police) lied to the family," he said.

De Menezes' mother, Maria Otone de Menezes, said Wednesday her son had been treated "like a mad dog" and called for the arrest of the officers responsible for his death. The family toured the subway station Wednesday.

Harriet Wistrich, a lawyer representing the family, read a statement to reporters after Thursday's viewing of the videotapes.

"It was very distressing to see how completely relaxed and normal Jean Charles appeared, particularly in the light of statements made immediately after his death," the statement said.

Police said immediately after the incident that the shooting was directly linked to the bombing attempts the day before. Police also did not immediately contradict media reports that Menezes was acting suspiciously, wearing a bulky coat and had jumped the subway turnstile.

Images of the scene showed Menezes wearing a jean jacket. He was unarmed.
Brazilian Family: Tapes Prove Police Lied

i dunno just sounds weird. Afterall if there was no suspicion why they shoot him? they could have just as well have shot any number of countless folks at the station... its not like London is missing people of brown skin or anything.

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Originally posted by Yoepus i dunno just sounds weird. Afterall if there was no suspicion why they shoot him? they could have just as well have shot any number of countless folks at the station... its not like London is missing people of brown skin or anything.

The reason he was being followed was cos he left the same appartment block as the one a suspect lived in.

Re: Brazilian murdered on london tube - new evidence

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Originally posted by Michael19 They person who shoot him should be done for murder. What kind of clowns do they have running the police over there? Really is a massive fuck up on their part.

the police did the right thing, if this had been another terror attack, they would have had to live with the knowledge that they let the person free who killed tens or hundreds of peoplep, it's sad but it's best to be safe than sorry

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Originally posted by Ian^ the police did the right thing, if this had been another terror attack, they would have had to live with the knowledge that they let the person free who killed tens or hundreds of peoplep, it's sad but it's best to be safe than sorry

There's always someone who is in favor of summary execution.....until it's them looking down the barrel of a gun.

Tell me if it where you would you still feel this way?

No need to answer. It's obvious you'd realize how much you treasure your life and others when such a situation arises.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 There's always someone who is in favor of summary execution.....until it's them looking down the barrel of a gun. Tell me if it where you would you still feel this way? No need to answer. It's obvious you'd realize how much you treasure your life and others when such a situation arises.

on the contrary, if they thought I was posing a danger to national security, especially just after some terrorist attacks, then I'd respect any decision they made.

You say that now.

But when the day comes, you'll regret that statement sad for me to say.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You say that now. But when the day comes, you'll regret that statement sad for me to say.

imo if you live by the sword, you die by it. You cannot support situations like this one without knowing that it may one day happen to you, and I'm totally comfortable with that, simply because if the person shot was a terrorist, every life taken would be on your conscience as you let him go. Shooting to kill isn't always the answer, but in some cases it's necessary. What it goes to show is that people who move over here have got to try & fit in with the language & culture because there may be a day when a simple "Wait a minute..... (and explanation)" are needed

Please spare me the us versus them propaganda.

You might as well think like these statements:

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 One day when people see that they somehow (through no fault of their own) wind up in a situation that makes the Patriot Act apply to them will they complain of how unfair it is. This usually is linked to statements like: "If you don't do anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about." "Since you were arrested you must have been doing something wrong." "Laws are for those that break them." "Terrorists do not deserve the same rights as we do." These statements are usually found coming from people that have had preset ideas implanted into their minds. Mind control is either a good or bad tool depending on the result that you need. Want to quit smoking or make someone homicidal? Want to make someone buy your product or give away their liberties? Use mind control.

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An example had to be made, unfortunately, it was him.

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