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Pat Robertson calls for assassination of Venezuelan president

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VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a �terrific danger� to the United States. Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on �The 700 Club� it was the United States� duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a �launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism.� Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous. �You know, I don�t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we�re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it,� Robertson said. �It�s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don�t think any oil shipments will stop.� Electronic pages and a message to a Robertson spokeswoman were not immediately returned Monday evening. Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets absorb almost 59 percent of Venezuela�s total exports. Tense relations Venezuela�s government has demanded in the past that the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan �terrorists� in Florida who they say are conspiring against Chavez. Robertson accused the United States of failing to act when Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002. �We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability,� Robertson said. �We don�t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator,� he continued. �It�s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.�

Idiots like this make religion look bad. Unfortuneately, this isn't just about religion. It's also about Chavez controlling 10% of the oil coming into America. And America being the terrorist by trying to off him. Just like Noam Chomsky said, "If America wants to stop terrorism, they should stop participating in it"

It's funny how contradicting religious fundies can be... And it's hillarious that US is accusing other countries of religious extrimism when they have guys like this one in their own country.

I dunno why what this has to do with religion, fundamentalism, extremism, etc.

Much worse has been stated on this board and no one cares...

Are you for real? This is a supposedly religious leader, calling for the assassination of another person. And for what? A bunch of unfounded claims? Isn't this guy supposed to be an example for other Christians, not to mention a public figure who represents a religion? This is why many people don't like religion, because idiots like this first tell you to love one another, etc. Then turn around calling for death.

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Originally posted by Chris T. Dot Are you for real? This is a supposedly religious leader, calling for the assassination of another person. And for what? A bunch of unfounded claims? Isn't this guy supposed to be an example for other Christians, not to mention a public figure who represents a religion? This is why many people don't like religion, because idiots like this first tell you to love one another, etc. Then turn around calling for death.

Yeah exactly, some of the pillars in christianity is to love everyone and to turn the other cheek, don't kill people etc?

And yoepus, I dont think anyone on this board denies that people blowing themselves up in the name of islam etc are fundie. You are a perfect example of someone who wants to stop extremism yet dont realise you have it in your own country in your own religion?

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Originally posted by Chris T. Dot Are you for real? This is a supposedly religious leader, calling for the assassination of another person. And for what? A bunch of unfounded claims? Isn't this guy supposed to be an example for other Christians, not to mention a public figure who represents a religion? This is why many people don't like religion, because idiots like this first tell you to love one another, etc. Then turn around calling for death.

Yep. And in this country, religion has strong ties to politics. E.g. God Bless America, Manifest Destiny, Nation Under God, etc.

This religious guy you might consider bad but look at Benny Hine, Joel Osween and Tonyy Robinson. They are a lot worse than this Pat guy. Also religion according to this survey is very important to Americans. More than 70% believe religion should be one of the governing factions in this country.

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Originally posted by Chris T. Dot Are you for real? This is a supposedly religious leader, calling for the assassination of another person. And for what? A bunch of unfounded claims? Isn't this guy supposed to be an example for other Christians, not to mention a public figure who represents a religion? This is why many people don't like religion, because idiots like this first tell you to love one another, etc. Then turn around calling for death.

If he is a religious leader, what religion does he lead?
He did not call for the assassination of Chavez, he simply said, if they guy things were after him we might as well be after him.

And perhaps you misunderstand religion, unless you are budisht religion does not absolve you from having evil or to act against it.

Christianity does not tell you not to kill people. Pat is for the death peanlty I am sure as well. It does tell you you should be nice to people.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Yeah exactly, some of the pillars in christianity is to love everyone and to turn the other cheek, don't kill people etc?

No, perhaps you misunderstand your religion. But Christianity does not condemn you from killing others when necessary. Yes you are supposed to forgive, and turn the other cheek, but in this case you are a) dealing in the case of state b) have a person who admits no wrongdoing. Christianity similarly allows judgement on criminals on this earth. The scholarly argument of religious theologist is that man must make the judgement on earth, the kingdom of men, as best he can, be it right or wrong, and God will make the true judgement in the afterlife, his kingdom.

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And yoepus, I dont think anyone on this board denies that people blowing themselves up in the name of islam etc are fundie. You are a perfect example of someone who wants to stop extremism yet dont realise you have it in your own country in your own religion? [/QUOTE]

Which country or religion is that?

There are always extremist. A recent example would be that settler in the west bank that shot up a few Palestinians. In away it is necessary for society as diverging opinions is what allow us to make the best choice. However, a society which tolerates and promotes extremism is different from those that attempt to prevent it from occurance.

He isn't telling followers of his faith to assasinate the guy, he is just saying in his opinion the US government should take the guy down. We all have an opinion.

You gotta be kidding me, are you stupid or something?

He specifically called for the assassination of Chavez, it was so specific that the White House had to issue denials that it was considering it.

And Yoepus, FYI. The reason these Christian nuts defend Israel is not because they "love Jews" -- oh no, quite the contrary -- but because they want to see their biblical prophecies fulfilled where the Messiah arrives and all the Jews are eventually killed or converted. Having a healthy Israel is just an important chapter in their little story.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd And Yoepus, FYI. The reason these Christian nuts defend Israel is not because they "love Jews" -- oh no, quite the contrary -- but because they want to see their biblical prophecies fulfilled where the Messiah arrives and all the Jews are eventually killed or converted. Having a healthy Israel is just an important chapter in their little story.

+1

How bizarre this situation may be, with a "religious leader" (i don't know who the guy is, just going from your comments) preaching assassination, and with the oil situation being the main reason behind it, if there's anyone i wouldn't mind much to be eliminated would be Chavez. That prick totally fucked his country.

Oh those wacky Xtians ... when will their mockery of Jesus ever cease to amuse me?

Good post Occ.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd You gotta be kidding me, are you stupid or something?

Yes I have a diverging opinion from yourself, therefore I must be stupid.... or something

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He specifically called for the assassination of Chavez, it was so specific that the White House had to issue denials that it was considering it.

I don't believe he specifically called for assassination. I believe he was making a point, just like many other comedians and social/political commetators do from point to point. However my arguments were made based on that assumption, most my critism was not based on his policy ideas but on how you attack him on being unreligious without an understanding of religion. Whether I chose to agree with him is another matter entirely, however similar to most foriegn policy issues, I don't think religion has anything to do with this.

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And Yoepus, FYI. The reason these Christian nuts defend Israel is not because they "love Jews" -- oh no, quite the contrary -- but because they want to see their biblical prophecies fulfilled where the Messiah arrives and all the Jews are eventually killed or converted. Having a healthy Israel is just an important chapter in their little story.

Well call me stupid .... or something! Because I simply don't see how this has any relevance to the topic at hand.



Oh and occrider:

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Robertson Apologizes for Chavez Remark 1 hour, 29 minutes ago VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson apologized Wednesday for calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, only hours after he denied saying Chavez should be killed. "Is it right to call for assassination?" Robertson said. "No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him." Chavez, whose country is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush. He accuses the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous. On Monday's telecast of his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club," Robertson had said: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop." He continued: "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." On Wednesday, he initially denied having called for Chavez to be killed and said The Associated Press had misinterpreted his remarks. "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,'" Robertson said on his show. "'Take him out' could be a number of things including kidnapping." He later issued the apology on his Web site. When the AP had called Robertson on Tuesday for elaboration, spokeswoman Angell Watts said Robertson would not do interviews and had no statement about his remarks. He also declined several interview requests Wednesday., On Tuesday, the State Department called Robertson's remarks "inappropriate." ___ On the Net: Christian Broadcasting Network: http://www.cbn.com Source, AP: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050824...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

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Nothing is wrong with pancakes.

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Originally posted by Yoepus I dunno why what this has to do with religion, fundamentalism, extremism, etc. Much worse has been stated on this board and no one cares...

Its because an American "Christian" said it. Thats why, if he would of said the moon was made of cheese, there would of been the same kind of outrage.

If one of the Hollywood liberals would of siad that, not one would care. Sad, but true

The irony is that Robertson�s show airs 3 times a day on ABC�s �Family Channel.�

Robertson used to own the "Family Channel" on US cable and Satellite Systems some years ago, and later it was sold to Fox on the condition that his lunatic rants calling for assassinations of world leaders, and prayers for God to kill liberal US Supreme Court justices (among other such things), are to air three times a day. Disney/ABC bought the Family Channel a few years later, and presumably the condition that Robertson's show, "The 700 Club," must air several times a day is still in effect.

So even if Disney/ABC wanted to take his show off the air, which I believe it should, I don't think it legally can.

The FCC, which regulates broadcast television, has no jurisdiction over cable and satellite, so it also could do nothing (though considering Robertson is one of the administration's staunches allies, this FCC would probably do nothing anyways.

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Originally posted by DaveSZ So even if Disney/ABC wanted to take his show off the air, which I believe it should, I don't think it legally can.

Wow that is pretty extremist. Take a guy's show off the air because hs says something politically incorrect?


I dunno about the religious hypocriacy, but I distinctly see liberal hypocrisay here.

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Originally posted by Yoepus No, perhaps you misunderstand your religion. But Christianity does not condemn you from killing others when necessary. Yes you are supposed to forgive, and turn the other cheek, but in this case you are a) dealing in the case of state b) have a person who admits no wrongdoing. Christianity similarly allows judgement on criminals on this earth. The scholarly argument of religious theologist is that man must make the judgement on earth, the kingdom of men, as best he can, be it right or wrong, and God will make the true judgement in the afterlife, his kingdom.

My religion?! It's certainly not.

Well, the bible states things like:

"Be kind to your enemies. Do good to those who hate you." - Exodus 23:4-5

"Don't hate people." - Leviticus 19:17

"Love your enemies." - Matthew 5:44

"Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely." - Luke 3:14

"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged" - Luke 6:37

"See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men." - 1 Thessalonians 5:15

"having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing;" - 1 Peter 3:8-9

Etc.

That I cannot interpret in any other way than that this Pat guy is wrong, and will end up in hell. However, I guess there are things saying the opposite, it's the bible after all...

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Which country or religion is that?

The United States of America?

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There are always extremist. A recent example would be that settler in the west bank that shot up a few Palestinians. In away it is necessary for society as diverging opinions is what allow us to make the best choice. However, a society which tolerates and promotes extremism is different from those that attempt to prevent it from occurance.

What is the US currently doing to coop with it's extremism? Ehm, nothing, quite the opposite.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Wow that is pretty extremist. Take a guy's show off the air because hs says something politically incorrect? I dunno about the religious hypocriacy, but I distinctly see liberal hypocrisay here.

Well you can look at it also from ABC's point of view (as a liability issue to them).

Did you feel it was wrong of MSNBC to take Michael Savage's show off the air, when he told one of his callers to, "Choke on a sausage, get aids and die?"

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