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Posted by stren on Aug-25-2005 14:35:

Question can a blindman dream

Blind from birth...?


Posted by nchs09 on Aug-25-2005 14:38:

yes. im sure it would be different. colors and flashes and shit


but the yes is in no way scientific


Posted by Allied Nations on Aug-25-2005 14:46:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
yes. im sure it would be different. colors and flashes and shit


but the yes is in no way scientific


way to kill the discussion marioloilioilioiolioillio..


Posted by Yan on Aug-25-2005 14:49:

It's also possible to be unable to dream.

One of my mother's patients, after experiencing minor head trauma during an MVA, lost the ability to dream at all.

I think that's the scariest thing ever.


Posted by jonze on Aug-25-2005 14:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Yan
It's also possible to be unable to dream.

One of my mother's patients, after experiencing minor head trauma during an MVA, lost the ability to dream at all.

I think that's the scariest thing ever.



i bet that person's really pissed at martin luther king jr. for like rubbing it in his face.


Posted by Lira on Aug-25-2005 14:52:

Do blind people dream? If they do, can they "see" in their dreams?

Anjali Sharma (age 14)
Leaside High
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


A: Anjali -

I considered answering your question myself, but decided that you might prefer an answer straight from the source. So I passed your question on to my friend, Laurie, who has been blind since she was fairly young. Here's what she had to say:

" Yes, blind people do dream. What they see in their dreams depends on how much they could ever see. If someone has been totally blind since birth, they only have auditory dreams. If someone such as I, has had a measure of sight, then that person dreams with that measure of sight. I still dream as though I can see, colors included. For people I've met since, their faces are just blurs or how I imagine they look. To me, someone like my mother looks forever 30. "

Thanks Laurie!

-Tamara

http://van.hep.uiuc.edu/van/qa/sect...s/983040715.htm

Dear Yahoo!:
Can a person who is blind from birth "see images" in their dreams?
Dreamcatcher


Dear Dreamcatcher:
This question has inspired volumes of medical research dating back to the 19th century. People who are visually impaired from birth appear to lack visual imagery in their dreams. It's believed that the parts of their brains that register visual information remain dormant.
According to this fascinating article by Diego Kaski in the International Medical Students' Journal, even people who lose their sight early in childhood retain visual imagery in their dreams well into adulthood. However, this imagery fades over time.

Nevertheless, blind people do dream and often describe their dreams in terms of places and surroundings. An article from the University of Santa Cruz notes that blind dreams feature a "very high percentage of gustatory, olfactory, and tactual sensory references," something very unusual for sighted dreamers to experience.

For some intriguing and descriptive quotes on the subject, read Richard Catlett Wilkerson's article "Dreams of the Blind."

http://ask.yahoo.com/20040826.html


Posted by nchs09 on Aug-25-2005 14:55:

quote:
Originally posted by jonze234
i bet that person's really pissed at martin luther king jr. for like rubbing it in his face.
OMGLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!


Posted by DjConfessions on Aug-25-2005 14:58:

thats an interesting question. who invented it?


Posted by stren on Aug-25-2005 15:00:

i think you can't stop dreaming, she probably just doesn't remember the dreams.


Posted by jonSun on Aug-25-2005 15:54:

quote:
Originally posted by jonze234
i bet that person's really pissed at martin luther king jr. for like rubbing it in his face.




Posted by DOOMBOT on Aug-25-2005 16:01:

I think the answer to this question could be answered by a blind person.


Posted by Boomer187 on Aug-25-2005 16:02:

you guys know that dreams are created by wild random neural activity during mainly REM sleep. When you are blind from birth your other senses take over for your lack of vision, so the random neural activity occurs in all those areas causing dreams in those areas.


thats just my guess :P


reminds me of this show where they took a girl, blindfolded here so it was completely dark and taught her brail. They took brain images along the way and after a week er so, I forget the period of time actually, but the result was that her occipital lobe (responsible for visual processing) was going crazy with activity when she was reading brale. so she was like visualizing the brale.


crazy shit goes on in da brain.


Posted by Lira on Aug-25-2005 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by DOOMBOT
I think the answer to this question could be answered by a blind person.

Which is why I posted that


Posted by est on Aug-25-2005 18:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
crazy shit goes on in da brain.


Yup - people who have had the occipital lobe removed/damaged still respond subconciously to visual stimuli. They have no awareness of what they've seen, but visual phenomena (such as fear conditioning) still occur. Scans show that subcortical areas are acivated. This means that there are visual pathways buried deep in the brain (much deeper than the relatively recently evolved occipital lobe) that bypass the occipital lobe and communicate with other brain areas, despite no concious knowledge of the percepts. Everyone, including seemingly blind people do this. It's called blindsight and admittedly has nothing to do with dreams but I just think its pretty cool.


Posted by Zewad on Aug-25-2005 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
you guys know that dreams are created by wild random neural activity during mainly REM sleep. When you are blind from birth your other senses take over for your lack of vision, so the random neural activity occurs in all those areas causing dreams in those areas.


thats just my guess :P


reminds me of this show where they took a girl, blindfolded here so it was completely dark and taught her brail. They took brain images along the way and after a week er so, I forget the period of time actually, but the result was that her occipital lobe (responsible for visual processing) was going crazy with activity when she was reading brale. so she was like visualizing the brale.


crazy shit goes on in da brain.


thanks DOC.. but what about the intarweb for blind people!!??

that must suck...


Posted by MarathonMan on Aug-25-2005 21:24:

I'd imagine blind people dream of being able to see!


Posted by Lira on Aug-25-2005 21:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Zewad
thanks DOC.. but what about the intarweb for blind people!!??

Not really, I know designers can even choose how (and what) computer voices will read the content.

Haven't tried it yet though.


Posted by Zewad on Aug-26-2005 07:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Not really, I know designers can even choose how (and what) computer voices will read the content.

Haven't tried it yet though.


this is c0r... i didnt want a real answer...


Posted by stren on Aug-26-2005 12:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Zewad
this is c0r... i didnt want a real answer...


i did


Posted by CONNERMAN2000 on Aug-26-2005 14:28:

any blind TA's?


Posted by Lira on Aug-26-2005 14:40:

quote:
Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
any blind TA's?

I think the way the forums are designed (with its extensive use of tables) would make it extremely annoying for a blind person to browse.


Posted by stren on Aug-26-2005 14:41:

quote:
Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
any blind TA's?


all of them


Posted by {b.s.e.} on Aug-26-2005 14:43:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4
dreams are overrated


agreed. for once.


Posted by Mebot on Aug-26-2005 15:06:

there was a blind TA, i had a discussion with him/her and i was asking about how they were able to post and read other posts.


for all i know i couldve been taken for a piss, but it seemed genuine enough for me


And yes blind people can dream... but only in black & white.


Posted by Mebot on Aug-26-2005 15:14:

here's the thread with the blind TA i was just talking about

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=222854


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