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the US has a license to kidnap, secretly jail, and murder

what's to stop the US government from abducting people anywhere on the globe and secretly incarcerating them indefintely or secretly killing them?

first, there was the rendition program, that in practice is tantamount to kidnapping by US government.

then, there was the enemy combatant status given to US citizens on US soil, US citizens on foreign soil, and foreigners on a foreign soil. the US government has argued, successfully thus far, that this permits it to hold people indefintiely without access to courts.

is anyone safe?

if someone dissapears anywhere, how would someone know that it wasn't the US gov't behind the dissappearance because as i undertstand it, the detention could be indefinite and could be kept secret. doesn't this bother or anger anyone else?

It angers me but if you are like me than you know the last thing you want to do is bring any attention to yourself or give a reason for a the government or a government agent to frame you. See I believe that the government is nowhere near a regime like Stalin's and as long as it is not there than there is no reason for concern.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid It angers me but if you are like me than you know the last thing you want to do is bring any attention to yourself or give a reason for a the government or a government agent to frame you. See I believe that the government is nowhere near a regime like Stalin's and as long as it is not there than there is no reason for concern.

ur avatar is the only reason i read your posts. don't ever change it, ok.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange ur avatar is the only reason i read your posts. don't ever change it, ok.

yay! someone actually read my post. I now feel important..o no now that I am important that must mean the government will be after me

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid yay! someone actually read my post. I now feel important..o no now that I am important that must mean the government will be after me

until you post again and you make your presence known, i believe that the possibility exists that the either government snatched you and sent you off to be interrogated in pakistan or that aliens are sticking a probe up your butt.

this isn't 1984. I seriously doubt we're that vicious and evil.

Re: the US has a license to kidnap, secretly jail, and murder

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange what's to stop the US government from abducting people anywhere on the globe and secretly incarcerating them indefintely or secretly killing them? first, there was the rendition program, that in practice is tantamount to kidnapping by US government. then, there was the enemy combatant status given to US citizens on US soil, US citizens on foreign soil, and foreigners on a foreign soil. the US government has argued, successfully thus far, that this permits it to hold people indefintiely without access to courts. is anyone safe? if someone dissapears anywhere, how would someone know that it wasn't the US gov't behind the dissappearance because as i undertstand it, the detention could be indefinite and could be kept secret. doesn't this bother or anger anyone else?

Hmmmmm..............yah, there's someone else who's doing this, but they're also killing the prisoners in the end..............hhhhmmmmmm..............who is it, who is it............gosh...........................give me a second..................................

I've got it!!!!!

It's the Terrorists!!

So cry me a river for the poor prisoners in Cuba.

Hell yeah! If terrorists get to kidnap innocent civilians and execute them, so should we!

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Originally posted by Aquarian Hell yeah! If terrorists get to kidnap innocent civilians and execute them, so should we!

We've set free hundreds of Taliban fighters free whom we could prove nothing against in our courts...hardly "executing innocent people", like Terrorists have been doing.

they better have that license, I dont want some guy in the afganistan using certain religion to persuade people to blow themselves up in the name of allah. as for the prisoners of guantamala(sry for bad spelling), if 9/11 wouldnt happen and if they would capture muhamed Atta, and put him in cuba, then amerikans would say wtf? he has rights, but when something like 9/11 happens, then, smart people would find reasons to execute them. fuk rights for them. who do u think the terrorists are? they are not people, they are animals.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco We've set free hundreds of Taliban fighters free whom we could prove nothing against in our courts...hardly "executing innocent people", like Terrorists have been doing.

Isn't the whole point of the court system to determine innocence? Are you essentially saying we should bypass the fair trials and simply presume everyone guilty and execute them? They were set free because they were judged innocent - so what's wrong with that?

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Originally posted by ilya49 they better have that license, I dont want some guy in the afganistan using certain religion to persuade people to blow themselves up in the name of allah. as for the prisoners of guantamala(sry for bad spelling), if 9/11 wouldnt happen and if they would capture muhamed Atta, and put him in cuba, then amerikans would say wtf? he has rights, but when something like 9/11 happens, then, smart people would find reasons to execute them. fuk rights for them. who do u think the terrorists are? they are not people, they are animals.

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Originally posted by ilya49 they better have that license, I dont want some guy in the afganistan using certain religion to persuade people to blow themselves up in the name of allah. as for the prisoners of guantamala(sry for bad spelling), if 9/11 wouldnt happen and if they would capture muhamed Atta, and put him in cuba, then amerikans would say wtf? he has rights, but when something like 9/11 happens, then, smart people would find reasons to execute them. fuk rights for them. who do u think the terrorists are? they are not people, they are animals.

Think about that again and tell me you are not serious.

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Originally posted by Aquarian Isn't the whole point of the court system to determine innocence? Are you essentially saying we should bypass the fair trials and simply presume everyone guilty and execute them? They were set free because they were judged innocent - so what's wrong with that?

Didn't say that at all. I said that people arrested by our government at least have recourse in our courts ...as opposed to people abducted by Terrorists who have NO recourse to anyoe but the Terrorist's whims.

I don't agree with the original statement that the U.S. is "abducting" and holding simple "criminals" without due process. These are enemy combatants. Some of them will have due process through the military courts, and that's good enough! Some will have it through our traditional courts. We've released thuosands already.

To make un-founded statements like "what's to stop the U.S. from secretly abducting and killing people" doesn't stand up to the known facts.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Didn't say that at all. I said that people arrested by our government at least have recourse in our courts ...as opposed to people abducted by Terrorists who have NO recourse to anyoe but the Terrorist's whims. I don't agree with the original statement that the U.S. is "abducting" and holding simple "criminals" without due process. These are enemy combatants. Some of them will have due process through the military courts, and that's good enough! Some will have it through our traditional courts. We've released thuosands already. To make un-founded statements like "what's to stop the U.S. from secretly abducting and killing people" doesn't stand up to the known facts.

Really, you are not really up to date. There are prisons that exsits in this world, runed by the US government, that do torture ppl. Not too long ago facts came out that one of the famous terrorist leaders where tortured to death. He didnt see any trial whatsoever that i tell you. That's breaking human rights too, if you want to fight terrorism with any credit you should be a good example, not use their bad habits to make up for yours.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew There are prisons that exsits in this world, runed by the US government...

Huh?

So anyway, like I was saying........our track record on human rights beats the Terrorists.

EOM!

You guys and your "anti-Americanism"...I guess you'd rather see things "runed" by Terrorists!

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Huh? So anyway, like I was saying........our track record on human rights beats the Terrorists. EOM! You guys and your "anti-Americanism"...I guess you'd rather see things run by Terrorists!

lol I saw that when I posted it (was talking on the phone ). There are plenty of other really stupid ones too so I couldn't bother to edit... hehe =/

Anyway, your human rights record is better than the terrorists' indeed. However, that does not make it good! It is no excuse whatsoever that there are "worse". And I never heard any terrorists whineing about you torturing prisoners, but it is kinda ironic as a westerner when you start a war to defend democracy, yet in that war you use tactics that is in direct contrast to one of the corner stones of democracy!

Yeah, it angers and bothers anyone who isn't ignorant and indoctrinated.

wars are won by any means not by playing fair.

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Originally posted by Lepanto wars are won by any means not by playing fair.

So that would justify attacks like 9/11 too?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew So that would justify attacks like 9/11 too?

ofcourse since we were clearly at war

i'm with ilya...nuke them go whine about how ignorant that statement is.

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Originally posted by Lepanto ofcourse since we were clearly at war

It's not like Iraq declared war against the US...

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Originally posted by St_Andrew It's not like Iraq declared war against the US...

that makes sense how?

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Originally posted by Lepanto that makes sense how?

Al quaida/Iraqi insurgence is trying to win a war, you are trying to win a war. Why would your bad actions be justified in order to win a war, but not theirs?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Al quaida/Iraqi insurgence is trying to win a war, you are trying to win a war. Why would your bad actions be justified in order to win a war, but not theirs?

9/11 isn't a part of this war. why would i want them to win? lmao. we should torture and nuke them to win. that's the point. they wanna cut our heads off? we will cut theirs off. and that's wrong? ofcourse not. life is a bitch and then you die.

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