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Hats off to Bush and the conservatives
After Katrina I've finally embraced the conservative mindset...
Who needs big government? Individuals should take responsibility for their own lives and the government should stay out especially natural disasters.
Low taxes are the only important thing. Why waste money on infrastructure and boring liberal organizations like FEMA?
The dangers of terrorism and Iraq far out way any internal concerns of this country. We need to be pouring more money into Iraq to nurture the lofty goals of freedom and democracy while we don't give a hoot about the individual Iraqi.
Last and foremost we should not question the wisdom of our government or evaluate their performance to do so would only be unpatriotic and partisan.
Relax every thing is going according to plan. Don't listen to the bleeding heart liberals and the media they're just jealous of the great job we conservatives are doing. We planned for the aftermath of Katrina just the way we did in Iraq.
Damm you opened up my mind!
http://mirror1.ev1helps.net/WWL-AM-Interview-Nagin.mp3
Uncensored interview with the mayor (copied from COR)
some very interesting points that the media didn't mention: e.g., most of the looters/criminals may be drug addicts who suddenly are cut off from drugs
very nice post. prepared to get flamed hehe. good points!
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd http://mirror1.ev1helps.net/WWL-AM-Interview-Nagin.mp3 Uncensored interview with the mayor (copied from COR) some very interesting points that the media didn't mention: e.g., most of the looters/criminals may be drug addicts who suddenly are cut off from drugs |
The best was Bush's so called tour of the area yesterday. If you watched it, it was a bunch of photo ops with white people. You didnt see any of the black people from NO who were the fucked up ones. Bush is the greatest joke US president in American history.
All I gottah say is:
"CLINTON $1 GAS; CHIMP BUSH $6 GAS & RISING"
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| Originally posted by dj The best was Bush's so called tour of the area yesterday. If you watched it, it was a bunch of photo ops with white people. You didnt see any of the black people from NO who were the fucked up ones. Bush is the greatest joke US president in American history. All I gottah say is: "CLINTON $1 GAS; CHIMP BUSH $6 GAS & RISING" |
You wanna source those gas figures. Also, it is entirely his fault the price of gas has gone up. Hopefully we can get a democrat in office next time around so we can get them down again.
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| Originally posted by kush paintings You wanna source those gas figures. Also, it is entirely his fault the price of gas has gone up. Hopefully we can get a democrat in office next time around so we can get them down again. |
they were rising even before the war and it's because there's a huge need for oil and there aren't enough refineries around.
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| Originally posted by dj The best was Bush's so called tour of the area yesterday. If you watched it, it was a bunch of photo ops with white people. You didnt see any of the black people from NO who were the fucked up ones. Bush is the greatest joke US president in American history. All I gottah say is: "CLINTON $1 GAS; CHIMP BUSH $6 GAS & RISING" |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Gee, the first thing I saw when I watched him touring Gulfport or Biloxi yesterday was to embrace two young black women who had lost everything. It was a very sincere moment and it was shown on virtually all networks, over and over. |
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| Originally posted by Spacey Orange well that changes everything. let's all excuse his lack of leadership. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka That's not what I was implying. I was responding to the comment that it was all about "photo ops with white people". |
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| Originally posted by d-miurge it's not a question or race or something like that... Just a question of money. |
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| Originally posted by Lepanto so what you saying is caring about rich people who provide jobs is...wrong? |
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| Originally posted by St_Andrew Well if that means a richer person's life is more worth, then yes. |
Of course the rich will get help first. They are fewer and more important to the economy since it is them who create jobs and make money for the rest of the people. Besides America is for the rich. Money is the American's most important value. The ones who become rich are pretty much immortalized by the rest of the people.
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| Originally posted by metalgearsolid Of course the rich will get help first. They are fewer and more important to the economy since it is them who create jobs and make money for the rest of the people. Besides America is for the rich. Money is the American's most important value. The ones who become rich are pretty much immortalized by the rest of the people. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Gee, the first thing I saw when I watched him touring Gulfport or Biloxi yesterday was to embrace two young black women who had lost everything. It was a very sincere moment and it was shown on virtually all networks, over and over. So...not sure what you're watching or why you are so intent on calling Bush a racist, but perhaps it is you that has issues with colorblindness. |
http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/sh...cle.php?id=1026
An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State
by Robert Tracinski
It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.
If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.
Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists�myself included�did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.
But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.
The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.
The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.
The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency�indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.
When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America. We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us. I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).
So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?
To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:
"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.
"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....
"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.
" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "
The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.
What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives? What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?
Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?
My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the coverage one night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America. "The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)
What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects." Then the "crawl"�the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels�gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails�so they just let many of them loose. [Update: I have been searching for news reports on this last story, but I have not been able to confirm it. Instead, I have found numerous reports about the collapse of the corrupt and incompetent New Orleans Police Department; see here and here.]
There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.
There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit�but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals�and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were a mass of sheep�on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.
All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary. In a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters�not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.
No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism." But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.
What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.
But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.
People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them and then shooting at those who come to rescue them�this is not just a description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing projects.
The welfare state�and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages�is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.
Source: TIA Daily -- September 2, 2005
^^^^^ That article seems to be written by a stupid guy (an assertion that is backed up by the reference to watching Fox News, and the fact that he didn't expect rapes and looting in a city with no control). The author lays blame solely on the "parasites" that, according to him, are only intent on destroying. He hints that these exists because of the social wellfare projects. Clearly, that's nonsense. If the social wellfare programs had not been in place, these people would just have been even worse off - they wouldn't have been non-existent.
In my humble view, the reason why the disaster escalated to the hights it did, is because it is not part of the present day mentality of the US to help people in unfortunate circumstances. The individual US citizen is very benevolent when he/she meets poor/unfortunate people (which is why begging for a living can work in the US), but on the federal level helping those in above average situations has become taboo. So when a disaster of this magnitude happens, and intervention on a grand scale is the only way to aleviate the problems, then delays and errors must happen.
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