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What has happened to America?

Great article

I found it a pretty good read, it actually saddens me a bit how our country is failing in soo many ways....

very good read, and very good point.... i was watching, i think it was CBS or ABC, as they had the senator from Louisiana on the show. she blasted George Bush and said at least several times, "we don't need you to come down here and get your photo op, and then leave, Mr. President, that just won't do. we need all your resources possible" and she broke down to tears. i found that powerful, not only the crying part, but what she said. i don't think anything of the sort would have been shown on TV (without being edited out) if it weren't for the truly terrible job this president has done in this crisis. good article though.

I normaly tend to stay clear of politics as it brings about to many arguments with friends.... But in my opinion this isnt entirely Bush's fault its a cooperitive failure of America. And the power struggles within the goverment... I can only hope things will change for the better.

well, yeah, of course, i dont think anyone puts 100%, not even 75% blame on Bush (i dont at least). its just that, for a president to have been chose on grounds of being a STRONG LEADER and extremely MORAL PERSON, its our job to show at least some disgust that all he (and many politicians no matter what party) went down there for (what, 5 days later?) a photo op. where are all the white "morally-superb" leaders now? god forbid they do something to help the african-americans that were stuck down there. god forbid they open up THEIR town or THEIR house or THEIR parish to these people.

Very good article indeed and in reality for me I have no sympathy for those voted for Bush (let the tears keep comin)

even as a very strong liberal and democrat, i must say that you along with others, when you say things like that, you make a bad name for us, not to mention you are letting politics cloud your right judgment.... if you knew some1 who died in the world trade center, and some bush supporter said "see, thats what you get when you dont vote for bush, keep the tears coming".... im sure you and many new yorkers would declare civil war and secede. just my 2 cents.

pointing fingers is never a good thing...

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Originally posted by Cobra Commander Very good article indeed and in reality for me I have no sympathy for those voted for Bush (let the tears keep comin)

So you're implying that the city of New Orleans voted for Dubya only cuz the state of Louisiana went to him

Well...you're WRONG

78% in Orleans county (where New Orleans is) voted FOR Kerry last year
22% voted for Dubya

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pa....001.html#22071

Good job

Not the government, nor anyone else at the top thinks in terms of peoples feelings and empathy or even necessarily preservation of life. The government thinks in terms of numbers and only numbers. Of course we have the resources to have gotten those people out of there in two days but that's not what counts to the Fed. It's all about the figures. How much would it cost us to rescue X amount of people in X amount of time? How many rescue vehicles would be needed? The average person makes approximately $1 million in their lifetime. How much are these people worth? What's the average education level of these people? What's their average lifespan? Annual income? Potential income of offspring? How many electoral votes does the state of LA represent?

IMO, it's all about Opportunity Cost so to speak. How much would we gain by taking this action in this amount of time? Would we really loose much by leaving them there? Will we really look that bad if we leave them there for a week? Will people eventually forget? How easily can we give people something else to focus on in the coming weeks/months/years?

After measuring tons of figures, clearly they came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it. The FedEx company sent it's jets down there to help with the rescue effort. That's really great but they shouldn't have had to. FedEx doesn't have more resources that the US Gov't. I think we may have even swooped down on Singapore faster than LA. Of course, it looks better to the rest of the world when we save ppl in other countries. I'd really like to see what they're saying, if anything at all, in world news... i mean BBC news, Japan news etc. I wonder what they're thinking, seeing this.

I wish American media wasn't so sensationalist about things so often. I heard someone on the radio say "None of the other countries are sending in aid to us because they all hate us thanks to Bush yadda yadda.." I think that if anything, other countries wouldn't put up aid because they know that we have the resources. It'd be like giving an extra hundred bucks to a billionaire. Moreover would we actually LET foreign countries send in aid? I think it would be quite embarrassing seeing British jets or Chinese watercrafts come in and rescue thousands of ppl from the US ... the US!!!.

In any case, it's just about statistical analysis when it comes down to government action. I can live with that, but it would be nice if they were upfront about how they operate. This way, the next time there's a huge disaster and people aren't helped, there won't be people walking around asking "How can The President be so heartless!?" because they'll already know the factors that go into whether or not the government is humane. So yeah, "what has happened to america?" I'm afraid I'll have to say "Nothing". It's always been this way, just with different scenarios and different time periods. It's a shame, I know but *shrugs*

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Originally posted by verndogs So you're implying that the city of New Orleans voted for Dubya only cuz the state of Louisiana went to him Well...you're WRONG 78% in Orleans county (where New Orleans is) voted FOR Kerry last year 22% voted for Dubya http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pa....001.html#22071 Good job

Its obivious that you would point the finger at me you son of bitch, I'll give you credit on looking up for that information because I was wrong then, but let this be a lesson to the rest these idoit sutherns in voting for Bush.

But I can't only blame them because we have alot idout in Central US too.

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Originally posted by Blake After measuring tons of figures, clearly they came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it. The FedEx company sent it's jets down there to help with the rescue effort. That's really great but they shouldn't have had to. FedEx doesn't have more resources that the US Gov't.

wow... didn't know that.. i agree, wtf, that's some shit right there. i mean sure it's great that they had the heart to volunteer their jets but you're damn right they shouldn't have even had to think about it..there's no reason for the US not to send all they got out there..isn't that was "disaster" means?

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I heard someone on the radio say "None of the other countries are sending in aid to us because they all hate us thanks to Bush yadda yadda.." I think that if anything, other countries wouldn't put up aid because they know that we have the resources. It'd be like giving an extra hundred bucks to a billionaire. Moreover would we actually LET foreign countries send in aid? I think it would be quite embarrassing seeing British jets or Chinese watercrafts come in and rescue thousands of ppl from the US ... the US!!!.

again, totally agree.


thanx for the article john, been spreading it around like butter on bread.

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Originally posted by fr0st pointing fingers is never a good thing...

Especially when chances are, you have no idea what you are talking about. Easiest thing to do right now is blame Bush...

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Originally posted by Blake I wish American media wasn't so sensationalist about things so often. I heard someone on the radio say "None of the other countries are sending in aid to us because they all hate us thanks to Bush yadda yadda.." I think that if anything, other countries wouldn't put up aid because they know that we have the resources. It'd be like giving an extra hundred bucks to a billionaire. Moreover would we actually LET foreign countries send in aid? I think it would be quite embarrassing seeing British jets or Chinese watercrafts come in and rescue thousands of ppl from the US ... the US!!!.

Whoever said that on the radio apparently spends too much time talking about new and not enough time gathering it. More than 50 countries have OFFERED us money. As far as I had read, the US has NOT ACCEPTED any of it. Qatar offered us $100 million, which was the highest that i saw. Granted Qatar is rich from oil, but still that's a lot of money. Kuwait's another one. They've requested that their parliament release $500 million worth of aid and petroleum to help. Here's a list of everything:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/05/ka....aid/index.html

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Whoever said that on the radio apparently spends too much time talking about new and not enough time gathering it. More than 50 countries have OFFERED us money. As far as I had read, the US has NOT ACCEPTED any of it. Qatar offered us $100 million, which was the highest that i saw. Granted Qatar is rich from oil, but still that's a lot of money. Kuwait's another one. They've requested that their parliament release $500 million worth of aid and petroleum to help. Here's a list of everything: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/05/ka....aid/index.html

Wow. That's a lot of freaking countries. I have to say that it's pretty profound for places like Bangladesh to be offering aid. Of course, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. As you said, tons have offered, we haven't been accepting much. I wonder why lol. I wonder if it's because there are single individuals living in this country who could match ALL of the monetary aid being offered by all of those countries combined, all by themselves. To me, that's deep. I don't think that the entire world hates the US. I think a good chunk of the rest of the world is pretty humanitarian, but I can't help wondering if a lot of these countries offered aid, knowing that the US would most likely refuse. Hmmmm...

Kuwait: Government has asked parliament to approve an emergency aid package of $500 million in humanitarian aid and petroleum. "We as Kuwaitis feel that we must stand alongside our friends to alleviate this humanitarian hardship," Minister of Energy Sheikh Ahmad Al-Fahd said in a statement to the Kuwait News Agency.


thanks guys

Countries which have offered aid...

Australia, Austria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Belgium, Canada, China, Columbia, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, France, Germany, Guatemala, Greece, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, Philippines, Portugal, South Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovakia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Switzerland, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela..

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/ka...world.aid.reut/

I love the fact that Cuba is in there... The embargo which we have held in place there for how many years now...? and yet they offer what little resources they have. Let's just hope that some aren't too stupid / arrogant to accept.

just my $.02

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