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911/Katrina
So once again this administration has fucked up big time.
They knew about the 911 attacks but didnt take any actions.
They knew about Katrina and didnt do anything for 5 days and let many suffer and die.
So whats your thoughts on this and is this administration really to blame?
Are the American people finally begining to see the real Bush? and is he going to come up with an excuse to blame it all on someone else?
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer So once again this administration has fucked up big time. They knew about the 911 attacks but didnt take any actions. They knew about Katrina and didnt do anything for 5 days and let many suffer and die. So whats your thoughts on this and is this administration really to blame? Are the American people finally begining to see the real Bush? and is he going to come up with an excuse to blame it all on someone else? |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer So once again this administration has fucked up big time. They knew about the 911 attacks but didnt take any actions. They knew about Katrina and didnt do anything for 5 days and let many suffer and die. So whats your thoughts on this and is this administration really to blame? Are the American people finally begining to see the real Bush? and is he going to come up with an excuse to blame it all on someone else? |
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| Originally posted by LazFX THis is not Bush's fault you tool. Do you have any idea how long it takes to mobilize after such a storm. Mind you the storm was as big as 3 states, or better yet, the Size of Texas. But then again, you are from Canada, so your ignorance is excused. You stupid little child. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer So once again this administration has fucked up big time. They knew about the 911 attacks but didnt take any actions. They knew about Katrina and didnt do anything for 5 days and let many suffer and die. So whats your thoughts on this and is this administration really to blame? Are the American people finally begining to see the real Bush? and is he going to come up with an excuse to blame it all on someone else? |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer poor Bush supporters.Did I hit a nerve? |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Bush knew about 911? Man you are a troll among trolls. |
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| Originally posted by LazFX No you did not hit a nerve you dim witted fool. Bush is an idiot, but instead of playing the blame game while people are still dying, do something to help the present situation. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer ya you are right there were no sigs at all before the attack. |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer So once again this administration has fucked up big time. They knew about the 911 attacks but didnt take any actions. They knew about Katrina and didnt do anything for 5 days and let many suffer and die. So whats your thoughts on this and is this administration really to blame? Are the American people finally begining to see the real Bush? and is he going to come up with an excuse to blame it all on someone else? |
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| Originally posted by Sinatra The President isn't to blame for what is going on in New Orleans. The state and local government should be held accountable. Is it not obvious to anyone? Why would you send 20,000 people to stadium that is within miles of the ocean and already under sea level? A fourth grader would know that flooding would take place, yet instead of sending those thousands of people inland to say, Baton Rougue you send them to a stadium without any security, food or water. The state of Louisiana is to blame for mainly everything that went wrong. You don't call for FEMA's help a day into a category 4 hurricane and expect eveythihg to turn out fine. This is an example of horrible planning by state of Louisiana and the city New Orleans. |
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| In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume rimary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS. http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp |
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| Protection -- Safeguard our people and their freedoms, critical infrastructure, property and the economy of our Nation from acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies. Response -- Lead, manage and coordinate the national response to acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies. Recovery -- Lead national, state, local and private sector efforts to restore services and rebuild communities after acts of terrorism, natural disasters, or other emergencies. http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/intera...torial_0413.xml |
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| FEMA's mission within the department is to lead the effort to prepare the nation for all potential disasters and to manage the federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident � whether natural or man-made. http://www.fema.gov/txt/library/thisisfema.txt |
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| The federal official in charge of the bungled New Orleans rescue was fired from his last private-sector job overseeing horse shows. And before joining the Federal Emergency Management Agency as a deputy director in 2001, GOP activist Mike Brown had no significant experience that would have qualified him for the position. The Oklahoman got the job through an old college friend who at the time was heading up FEMA. The agency, run by Brown since 2003, is now at the center of a growing fury over the handling of the New Orleans disaster. ...Brown was forced out of the position after a spate of lawsuits over alleged supervision failures. ``He was asked to resign,'' Bill Pennington, president of the IAHA at the time, confirmed last night. Soon after, Brown was invited to join the administration by his old Oklahoma college roommate Joseph Allbaugh, the previous head of FEMA until he quit in 2003 to work for the president's re-election campaign. http://business.bostonherald.com/bu...rticleid=100857 |
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| His first position with the Bush Administration was as special assistant to the President and deputy director of National Advance Operations, a position he assumed in January 2001. Previously, Mr. Rhode served as deputy director of National Advance Operations for the George W. Bush Presidential Campaign, in Austin, Texas. http://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/bios/biorhode.pdf |
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| Mr. Morris was also the marketing director for the world�s leading provider of e-business applications software in California, and worked for Maverick Media in Austin, Texas as a media strategist for the George W. Bush for President primary campaign and the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign. http://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/bios/biomorris.pdf |
Mr opus has just owned all you fucking morons.
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| Originally posted by LazFX THis is not Bush's fault you tool. Do you have any idea how long it takes to mobilize after such a storm. Mind you the storm was as big as 3 states, or better yet, the Size of Texas. But then again, you are from Canada, so your ignorance is excused. You stupid little child. |
Great post opus,but somehow I doubt any of this will get through to some people here.
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King How come the US military was on time for other hurricane releif efforts in the past??? You are the stupid little child. |
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| Originally posted by LazFX Do you have any idea how long it takes to mobilize after such a storm. Mind you the storm was as big as 3 states, or better yet, the Size of Texas. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 Why rapid response last year? Late Friday, about 1,400 National Guard troops were sent to hard-hit Port Charlotte, where there are numerous reports of injuries and search-and-rescue efforts are under way, according to the Federal Department of Emergency Management. Mighty Charley loses steam ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. (8/16/2004) � More than 4,000 members of the Florida National Guard were on duty today to support recovery operations from Hurricane Charley's devastation Aug. 13 across southwest and central Florida. Guardsmen Support Hurricane Charley Recovery Operations PUNTA GORDA - Sgt. 1st Class John Garrison's Florida National Guard unit was shot at every day in Iraq. The troops endured dry desert heat for 15 months. The unit's 400 members were responsible for patrolling an area crammed with 700,000 Iraqis. Now, three months after its return from Iraq, Garrison's unit has been summoned to help the victims of Hurricane Charley. They can see that the damage is bad, that Charlotte County residents are suffering. For Guard, Charley is better than Iraq President Bush declared Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi disaster areas, making federal funding and aid available. The declaration for Florida was the third in a month, following those issued for hurricanes Charley and Frances. More than 2,000 National Guard troops were moving into northwest Florida to assist with assessment and cleanup operations, Gov. Bush said. Ivan made landfall on the east side of Mobile Bay in Alabama at 1:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. ET) Thursday as a slightly weakened Category 3 hurricane with winds of 130 mph (208 kph). Ivan's stormy trek floods Southeast But they're in Iraq: The National Guard has always been America's first line of defense and support after natural disasters, but with 100,000 Guardsmen deployed overseas supporting missions from Afghanistan and Iraq to the Balkans, its disaster-relief force is smaller. Storm Surge (A National Guard Association of the United States article) 2005: Florida Lt. Gov. Toni Jennings said Florida had prepared well for the emergency, with 2,600 National Guard troops ready to be dispatched to affected areas. Dennis spreads across Southeast Dennis was the only other US mainland hurricane to hit before Katrina. |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 During wartime, Guard units can be mobilized to fight overseas. Back home, they typically fall under the control of their state governors and are available for emergencies. But with the active-duty military stretched in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Guard and Reserves have been called on to play a major role. About 40% of all U.S. troops in Iraq are Guard and Reserves. Louisiana is also suffering the recruiting problems afflicting the Guard nationwide. Nationally, the Army Guard is making only about 80% of its recruiting goals this year. Louisiana has had a more difficult time than most states, making only 53% of its goal through July. That shortfall translates into a deficit of about 800 Army Guard recruits. Col. Jerry Vaughn, joint forces chief of staff for the Florida National Guard, said his state had about 6,000 soldiers called up after Hurricane Andrew in 1992. But even that contingent, roughly equal to all the Guard troops remaining in Louisiana, wasn't sufficient. The Pentagon also sent troops from two divisions to Florida. Pentagon to send 10,000 National Guard troops |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 NEW ORLEANS, United States (AFP) - A top New Orleans police officer said that National Guard troops sat around playing cards while people died in the stricken city after Hurricane Katrina. New Orleans deputy police commander W.S. Riley launched a bitter attack on the federal response to the disaster though he praised the way the evacuation was eventually handled. His remarks fuelled controversy over the government's handling of events during five days when New Orleans succumbed to lawlessness after Katrina swamped the city's flood defenses. The National Guard commander, Lieutenant General Steven Blum, said the reservist force was slow to move troops into New Orleans because it did not anticipate the collapse of the city's police force. Guardsmen 'played cards' amid New Orleans chaos: police official And the LA gov said they were battle hardened. Go figure. |
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| Originally posted by St_Andrew I like this part the best: "For 72 hours this police department and the fire department and handful of citizens were alone rescuing people. We have people who died while the National Guard sat and played cards. I understand why we are not winning the war in Iraq if this is what we have." |
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 Mike Brown: Oh that meeting...nope, I don't remember that meeting I had the other day what about you Mike? Mike Chertoff: Nope can't say that I remember seeing you at that meeting: NEW YORK Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, told the Times-Picayune Sunday afternoon that officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, including FEMA Director Mike Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, listened in on electronic briefings given by his staff in advance of Hurricane Katrina slamming Louisiana and Mississippi--and were advised of the storm�s potential deadly effects. "Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore. "We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It�s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped." Hurricane Center Director Tells Paper He Briefed Brown and Chertoff on Danger of Severe Flooding |
Kudos to MisterOpus.
Cyrus:
To partially answer your question:
Sad to say this but Katrina was an excerise, in my judgement, of chaos within FEMA and DHS management. All other natural disasters went along fine with very little logistical problems (I am not dismissing deaths) aside from details such as weather or location. This Katrina disaster had to go like it did for FEMA/DHS to take it up a few notches for people to accept troops taking over their town.
FEMA/DHS is an agency that will supplant current government. Well not just supplant but actually take over in a federal style and sanctioned coup. What you are seeing is a small forced acceptance of this by the masses.
Time will only tell how worse things can be in another disaster that will probably take more lives and/or property in order for mass acceptance to take seed. Perhaps a terror drill involving a nuclear weapon that just so happens to go live. I am not predicting this nor have an inside scoop. It just looks too obvious.
Exercise to focus on nuclear terror scenario
It's a hard sell I don't ever want to talk about but one that many should think about.
Does DHS/FEMA have the interests of the people at heart?
No.
Question is: Just who benefits by putting people under martial law?
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| Originally posted by ogvh5150 Sad to say this but Katrina was an excerise... All other natural disasters went along fine ... |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 And how do you propose to send 30,000 people (including those at the Convention Center across the way) to Baton Rouge, sir? How many buses would that entail? Say 50 people on 1 bus, that would be roughly 600 buses. You know where New Orleans could find those buses that quickly? And let's also talk about the drive - how on earth would you propose getting through the traffic on the weekend mandatory evacuation? Did you not see the line of cars trying to get out of NO? Just add 600 buses that somehow fall out of Candyland and appear for all these individuals who many of them have no mode of transportation to even get to a destination where these 600 or so buses magically appear in the first place. Keep in mind - it wasn't until SATURDAY early morning that this storm was upgraded to a worrisome category 3 level: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/ka.../content.6.html and not until SUNDAY early morning where it was subsequently upgraded to a Cat 4 and then Cat 5 (7AM Sun). http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/ka.../content.7.html How fast do you honestly expect a city to move here, man? Gov. Blanco declared a State of Emergency after it was called a Cat 3 on Saturday: http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Re...tail.asp?id=976 Prompting FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security to get moving (which it did oh so slowly). And what's more - Bush, FEMA director Brown, and DHS Secretary Chertoff were warned by the National Hurricane Center Director of the Levee Failure Sunday Afternoon BEFORE it struck: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/e...t_id=1001054595 http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/30/S...ing_chief.shtml Did that stop Bush going to Arizona to fucking eat cake with McCain on Monday?: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...-0125-515h.html The levee was breached on Monday: http://www.nola.com/hurricane/t-p/k...tastrophic.html Did that stop Bush from going to California to discuss his bullshit Medicare deal: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...0050829-11.html Did that stop Rumsfeld from attending a fucking baseball game on Monday?: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/e...t_id=1001055561 Did that stop Bush playing the fucking guitar on TUESDAY?: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...capm10208301856 And regardless of the inadequacies of the Superdome - which to a certain extent I agree more should have been done for these people from the getgo, you tell me, why the fuck did our fucking FEMA director NOT KNOW ABOUT THE DIRE SITUATION OF NO FUCKING FOOD OR WATER UNTIL THURSDAY?: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/ka...onse/index.html The fucking director of our fucking FEMA didn't even know about these people after a natural disaster, and had to be told the situation by none other than a reporter. Now does that sound like a well-rounded Federal response to you? Who is to blame for this federal response? Where does the Buck stop? What does it say on the Department of Homeland Security website as a "primary responsibility"?: Keep in mind that FEMA was joined under the DHS as of 2003, so DHS is DIRECTLY responsible for FEMA. What else does it say on that darn DHS site? Oh, how 'bout "strategic goals"?: That darn word "lead" seems to keep popping up right before "national", and "state", and "local". And those other 2 darn words "natural disasters" sure are getting in the way, aren't they? Too vague? Well then let's look no further than the FEMA website itself, shall we? What's FEMA's "mission within the DHS?: Again, where does the buck stop? Why are so many calling for the heads of FEMA, including a healthy number of conservatives and their mouthpieces? Perhaps this is why - look who Bush hired for the job with such great experience in emergency disaster relief: And look who works under Brown: FEMA Chief of Staff Patrick Rhode. No emergency management experience whatsoever, but he does have this going for him: and FEMA's Deputy Chief of Staff, Scott Morris. No emergency management experience either, but he's got this for himself So you tell me sir, you think FEMA AND this president who sat on vacation while people were dying because of the biggest natural disaster in the history of our country should get a lovely free pass? Or should there be some fucking accountability on this Administration for once in their fucking collective lives? |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus What does Bush have a weather machine or something? You'd make a great Bond script writer! |
[tin foil hat on]
Let's think about this for a second. Where do hurricanes form? In the region just west of northern Africa, right? Well what's pretty close to that region? A bunch of third-world countries, including the Middle-East, right? I mean really, the Middle-East is pretty much right next door to n. Africa.
So what group of people lie primarily within this region? Muslims, right? And what group of Muslim group extremists are considered the most menacing and dangerous enemy of the United States? Al Qaeda, right?
So let's see - hurricanes forming close to the regions of n. Africa. Muslim extremists including our arch enemy Al Qaeda oh so very close to these hurricane origins. Hurricanes themselves have become bigger, stronger, and more deadlier than ever. Al Qaeda has slowly become bigger, stronger, and more deadlier than ever.
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!
DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS?!?!?!?!?
I JUST SAVED 20% ON MY CAR INSURANCE BY SWITCHING TO GEICO!!!!!
[/tin foil hat on]
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 [tin foil hat on] Let's think about this for a second. Where do hurricanes form? In the region just west of northern Africa, right? Well what's pretty close to that region? A bunch of third-world countries, including the Middle-East, right? I mean really, the Middle-East is pretty much right next door to n. Africa. So what group of people lie primarily within this region? Muslims, right? And what group of Muslim group extremists are considered the most menacing and dangerous enemy of the United States? Al Qaeda, right? So let's see - hurricanes forming close to the regions of n. Africa. Muslim extremists including our arch enemy Al Qaeda oh so very close to these hurricane origins. Hurricanes themselves have become bigger, stronger, and more deadlier than ever. Al Qaeda has slowly become bigger, stronger, and more deadlier than ever. OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS?!?!?!?!? I JUST SAVED 20% ON MY CAR INSURANCE BY SWITCHING TO GEICO!!!!! [/tin foil hat on] |
MisterOpus1:
Of course I am not saying Africans are sending hurricanes to the US mainland to kill Afro-americans.
That's like saying the Japanese send typhoons to Hawaii.
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